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Walka
11-13-2007, 12:26 PM
Way to go Dems.

Gettin those priorites straight.


http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bad-gover...iaa-321541.php (\"http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bad-government/new-bill-would-deny-schools-funding-if-they-dont-comply-with-the-riaa-321541.php\")

In a ridiculous display of just how much you can get done in government if you have enough money, a new bill on the House floor states that if colleges don't police their networks and do the RIAA and MPAA's bidding as well as buy into services such as Napster for their entire student body, they'll lose all their federal funding. Yep, that means if a college doesn't want to hand over names to the RIAA they'll lose things like their Pell grants, depriving thousands of low-income students from financial aid. Wow.

Just in case you weren't sure whether or not the RIAA was completely evil, this pretty much proves it. A letter from a group of university officials has this to say about the bill:

Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid--including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy.

Hopefully the offending language will be sliced right out of this bill before it has a chance to become a law, forcing universities to become lapdogs of an industry group because said industry group has lots and lots of money for lobbyists.

http://www.news.com/Democrats-Colleg...ml?tag=st.prev (\"http://www.news.com/Democrats-Colleges-must-police-copyright%2C-or-else/2100-1028_3-6217943.html?tag=st.prev\")

New federal legislation says universities must agree to provide not just deterrents but also \"alternatives\" to peer-to-peer piracy, such as paying monthly subscription fees to the music industry for their students, on penalty of losing all financial aid for their students.

The U.S. House of Representatives bill (PDF), which was introduced late Friday by top Democratic politicians, could give the movie and music industries a new revenue stream by pressuring schools into signing up for monthly subscription services such as Ruckus and Napster. Ruckus is advertising-supported, and Napster charges a monthly fee per student.

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) applauded the proposal, which is embedded in a 747-page spending and financial aid bill. \"We very much support the language in the bill, which requires universities to provide evidence that they have a plan for implementing a technology to address illegal file sharing,\" said Angela Martinez, a spokeswoman for the MPAA.

According to the bill, if universities did not agree to test \"technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity,\" all of their students--even ones who don't own a computer--would lose federal financial aid.

The prospect of losing a combined total of nearly $100 billion a year in federal financial aid, coupled with the possibility of overzealous copyright-bots limiting the sharing of legitimate content, has alarmed university officials.

\"Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid--including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy,\" a letter from university officials to Congress written on Wednesday said. \"Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal.\"

The letter was signed by the chancellor of the University of Maryland system, the president of Stanford University, the general counsel of Yale University, and the president of Penn State.

They stress that the \"higher education community recognizes the seriousness of the problem of illegal peer-to-peer file sharing and has long been committed to working with the entertainment industry to find a workable solution to the problem.\" In addition, the letter says that colleges and universities are responsible for \"only a small fraction of illegal file sharing.\"

The MPAA says the university presidents are overreacting. An MPAA representative sent CNET News.com a list of campuses that have begun filtering files transferred on their networks, including the University of Florida (Red Lambda technology); the University of Utah (network monitoring and Audible Magic); and Ohio's Wittenberg University (Audible Magic).

For each school taking such steps, the MPAA says, copyright complaints dramatically decreased, in some cases going from 50 a month to none.

KC Meat
11-14-2007, 07:57 AM
Solution: don't use colleges' internet for music stuff...if you really want to get "pirated" music, pay for internet through another provider like the rest of us do...

Walka
11-14-2007, 08:40 AM
Solution: don't use colleges' internet for music stuff...if you really want to get "pirated" music, pay for internet through another provider like the rest of us do...
Right...but out of the thousands of students who live on campus at the U, this will not be an option...the obvious solution is to pay for your music, but I know a huge amount of people won't even know they are in danger until a lawsuit is already in their hands...which sucks. And I'm sure alot of people will not be worried about such a threat, until it's actually happening.

*sigh*

KC Meat
11-14-2007, 10:35 AM
When using the school's computers, use them like you would an employer's computer...I know that's not how it should be, but when you are using an educational insitution's internet connection, shit like this can happen...I was ALWAYS worried about what I was doing online when using the computers at the U...I was amazed at how many people would sit there looking at porn and then act like they weren't...like they're not going to know...they know what you're doing...the difference is I was using mIRC (well, back when I could actually install/use it before they started locking down privilages on the computer lab comps) to download any and everythig I wanted, compared to using sites that are openly geared toward piracy...mIRC is a chat program...it just happens to have the ability to exchange pirated software/music/movies if you know what you're doing...

T.Beck
11-16-2007, 11:52 AM
I remember my freshman year at Boise State, the communications building computer lab had these 2 guys there that were just non stop pirating music, it was pretty new back then(1999)

Kaos
11-16-2007, 12:51 PM
On one side, i can see why they are doing this, as " Pirating music " is a crime, and our higher education system should NOT contribute to " crime "


On the other side, FUCK the RIAA, and the Feds....


Im sorry, but with how fucking abhorantly overfuckingpaid the entertainment industry is, i have NO fucking pity for their loss of income, ohhh booo fucking who.. you lost a few grand from royalties out of the thousands of dollars a day you shove in your greedy fucking pockets....


Fuck off and go on tour or something and die in a planecrash...

( * Exception must be made for Radiohead's attempt to join the 21st century, even though i dont like radiohead much, i still paid 8 bucks for the new cd just to show support for their idea, ill pay reasonable prices for things i dont really want or need )

KC Meat
11-16-2007, 01:35 PM
For a good (long) read about just how wasteful and greedy the music industry is, see this:

When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide. (http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when-pigs-fly-death-of-oink-birth-of.html)