Is alcohol a drug?

[Blacksunshine]

There's a fun little topic. For the fun of it.

[Walka]

Yep.

Just like caffeine.

[Blacksunshine]

I'm just wondering here are a few thoughts


Say no to drugs and Alcohol

If they are the same, why do they spererate them when they tell you how to live??

[Rodan]

I think most of the world doesn't consider them the same thing but I feel they are. Especially since alcohol totally alter you and can make you extremely sic. It is also addicted up to certain levels.

[Blacksunshine]

But with the idea that say alc, IS a drug


Ladies and gentlemans I will be brewing drugs in my kitchen every other week from Oct - March. :D

[Hyver]

Rodan said the same thing that I said in this space, only quicker....

[T.Beck]

Alcohol is a drug, most definately. the only reason when saying, "say no to drugs and alcohol" they separate it is because alcohol is legal, so they figure when they say "drugs" its just refering to illegal drugs.

Alcohol not only is a drug, but it is the drug that causes some of the worst problems, one of only a couple drugs you can die from withdrawls, one that is addictive to some, there is a whole disease of this, ever hear of alcoholics? It alters your mind and body. see here (http://www.teengrowth.com/index.cfm?action=info_advice&ID_Advice=2298&category=danger&catdesc=Danger&subdesc=Alcohol)

More importantly see here (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/65988.php) and notice where alcohol is on the list, HMMM. Oh and check this out, look what the leading date rape drug is here (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/418/daterape.shtml)

[T.Beck]

Yep.

Just like caffeine.

Caffiene is a drug and is addictive, but it doesn't really alter your state of being, take away your ability to drive, make rational decisions etc. like alcohol does.

[Walka]

Caffiene is a drug and is addictive, but it doesn't really alter your state of being, take away your ability to drive, make rational decisions etc. like alcohol does.
I never said that.

I just said it was a drug ;) and MUCH more commonly used than alcohol.

[KC Meat]

...there is a whole disease of this, ever hear of alcoholics?What? who? You're lying, these kind of people don't exist :rolleyes:

Alcohol is more dangerous than weed, but weed is illegal and alcohol isn't :confused:...and Tbag has proven that weed isn't a gateway drug...his first drug trial was acid for god's sake, not weed...hahaha

And of course alcohol is a drug...but so is Ibuprofen...I say no to Ibuprofen!!...no I don't...OMG...I'm a drug addict!!!...I'm gonna go rob some cars to buy more ibuprofen...

[A.D]

caffeine affects some peoples abilities to make rational decisions. and those people are retarded

[adrena_line]

Alcohol is totally a drug!

so is caffeine
and advil
and sugar!

I agree with Tim's reasoning with why they say 'drugs AND alcohol'...because booze is legal. and i also agree that it's one of the most dangerous drugs there are! i am typing this as i try not to puke from my vicious vicious hangover, haha. strange that alcohol is still legal, really, if you think about all the negative things it's responsible for in our society... :2cents:

[T.Beck]

Yay for Lara realizing I am right :)

It is legal because they already tried making it illegal and things were worse. Policymakers have not entirely learned from that mistake though or else they'd end the rediculous war on drugs.

[Drew]

yes, alcohol is a drug, and it can destroy lives just as much as any other addictive substance.

no drug is any better or worse than any other drug, if someone allows their lives to be dictated by a substance, it's not the substance's fault, it's the persons.

i personally think that all drugs should be decriminalized, because you can't really say which drug is better or worse, especially since some that are illegal because they are fun do the least amount of harm to your body (lsd, mushrooms, marijuana), while alcohol is one of the worst for your body, and only has an age restriction.

[Drew]

and sugar!



correction: classification of a drug does not include foods, therefore, although sugar changes the chemistry of your brain, without sugars we would not be able to survive.

[adrena_line]

heh. i meant white cane sugar actually...i believe that wars have been started over it, entire countries are enslaved or destroyed because of it, it's highly addictive, sugar crashes and withdrawals are a BITCH, it's linked to obesity (especially in kids), etc etc I also agree that everything should be decriminalized but not because you can't say which drugs are good and which are bad. just because they should all be considered drugs doesn't mean they're equal on the 'safety' scale. i think they should be decriminalized because the thought of someone controlling what i want to consume has always bothered me..

[Walka]

heh. i meant white cane sugar actually...i believe that wars have been started over it, entire countries are enslaved or destroyed because of it, it's highly addictive, sugar crashes and withdrawals are a BITCH, it's linked to obesity (especially in kids), etc etc I also agree that everything should be decriminalized but not because you can't say which drugs are good and which are bad. just because they should all be considered drugs doesn't mean they're equal on the 'safety' scale. i think they should be decriminalized because the thought of someone controlling what i want to consume has always bothered me..
Exactly.

You should be able to put whatever you want into your own body,as long as it isn't endangering others.

Just like alcohol.

[T.Beck]

heh. i meant white cane sugar actually...i believe that wars have been started over it, entire countries are enslaved or destroyed because of it, it's highly addictive, sugar crashes and withdrawals are a BITCH, it's linked to obesity (especially in kids), etc etc I also agree that everything should be decriminalized but not because you can't say which drugs are good and which are bad. just because they should all be considered drugs doesn't mean they're equal on the 'safety' scale. i think they should be decriminalized because the thought of someone controlling what i want to consume has always bothered me..

Not just decriminalized, there needs to be an entirely different approach to drug policy. You want to borrow my books sometime? I have never gotten around to finishing it, I will sometime, I just keep being too busy for much reading lately.

[Senor Tapatio]

It is labeled as a drug, but not a "bad drug". If anyone is capable of making money off of it then it is not an ellicit drug. Who cares really just drink it while it is still legal.

[DJ Butt Secks]

I would say alcohol is just as much of a drug as t.v is and t.v is as much of a drug as heroin is and heroin is as much of a drug as the internet is.

[T.Beck]

I would say alcohol is just as much of a drug as t.v is and t.v is as much of a drug as heroin is and heroin is as much of a drug as the internet is.

I disagree, although those things can be addictive and take away from other obligations like time with family etc, too much TV won't kill you.

All things in moderation and you are AOK

[Drew]

I would say alcohol is just as much of a drug as t.v is and t.v is as much of a drug as heroin is and heroin is as much of a drug as the internet is.

good point, watching television releases certain neruotransmitters, as does watching sports.

hell, even placebos have a neurochemical effect. so THINKING you're taking drugs is a drug

[Drew]

too much TV won't kill you.


depending on how you define "too much"

too much of ANYTHING will kill you

[Walka]

depending on how you define "too much"

too much of ANYTHING will kill you
what about peace?

[Drew]

what about peace?

you can't eat peace

[Walka]

you can't eat peace

hehehehe

[KC Meat]

hell, even placebos have a neurochemical effect. so THINKING you're taking drugs is a drugOMG...I'm soooo high on placebo now, dude...

[Drew]

OMG...I'm soooo high on placebo now, dude...

ok, a study done testing the effectiveness of a placebo:

1: give someone in chronic pain morphine for a week
2: on the last day, instead of morphine give the patient saline, saline works like morphine.
3: on repetition of the experiment, instead of giving saline, give naloxone, which inhibits the effect of opiates. result: patient feels normal pain, no effect from placebo.

which suggests that the placebo effect is neurochemical, not psychological.

[T.Beck]

what gets me is people that drink and then hear I used Acid and E and are like "oh my gosh, that stuff's dangerous, that shit puts holes in your brain....."

Yet they freakin drink a ton. and then won't listen to me when I try explaining the research that has been done. Wake up people, ALCOHOL is a drug, just like any other drug. This (http://www.maps.org/mdma/rd011604.html) article refutes and explains the fraud that was used to show the "holes in the brain" that was used as propaganda to support a prohibitionist policy.

[Miss Mustang]

good point, watching television releases certain neruotransmitters, as does watching sports.

hell, even placebos have a neurochemical effect. so THINKING you're taking drugs is a drug

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qhb64fV12do

That is all i have to say....... love this scene..... its one of my absolute favorites....

[KC Meat]

ok, a study done testing the effectiveness of a placebo:

1: give someone in chronic pain morphine for a week
2: on the last day, instead of morphine give the patient saline, saline works like morphine.
3: on repetition of the experiment, instead of giving saline, give naloxone, which inhibits the effect of opiates. result: patient feels normal pain, no effect from placebo.

which suggests that the placebo effect is neurochemical, not psychological.Right...I wasn't making fun of your statement, I'm a full believer in how powerful placebos are...I was :smoke: and saying i was high on placebo...it was a lie...ALL LIES!!...I feel religion is placebo in full force...


what gets me is people that drink and then hear I used Acid and E and are like \"oh my gosh, that stuff's dangerous, that shit puts holes in your brain.....\"

Yet they freakin drink a ton. and then won't listen to me when I try explaining the research that has been done. Wake up people, ALCOHOL is a drug, just like any other drug. This (\"http://www.maps.org/mdma/rd011604.html\") article refutes and explains the fraud that was used to show the \"holes in the brain\" that was used as propaganda to support a prohibitionist policy.Anybody who tries to use the "holes in your brain" excuse is an idiot...you will get "holes" in your brain naturally as you get older...what you don't use, you lose...and even if it DID put holes in your brain, it's not gonna stop people from doing it...they condemn houses where meth was manufactured, yet people are willingly putting that shit in their body...drinking too much damages your liver, people still drink....smoking cigs can lead to lung cancer, but people still smoke...until it happens and affects them, they don't care...

[T.Beck]

Anybody who tries to use the "holes in your brain" excuse is an idiot...you will get "holes" in your brain naturally as you get older...what you don't use, you lose...and even if it DID put holes in your brain, it's not gonna stop people from doing it...they condemn houses where meth was manufactured, yet people are willingly putting that shit in their body...drinking too much damages your liver, people still drink....smoking cigs can lead to lung cancer, but people still smoke...until it happens and affects them, they don't care...

Exactly, everything has can harm you, just like eating steak everyday is gonna make you have a heart attack. But it seems that most drug users that are not involved with the rave culture are very ill informed about Ectasy and seem to think it is soo bad for you and on the same level as heroine or something. Like when i mentioned I had used it they flipped out and where like, that shit puts holes in your brain, meanwhile they drink alcohol and smoke weed regularly.

I got home and did hella more research to totally confirm I am the one that is right. Oh and in the process I learned that Mary J causes short term memory loss, heavy heavy E use can cause negative effects on longterm memory.

Basically my conclusion as far as E goes, having read hella studies now, is that it is bad for you, but if used with precaution and knowing what you are doing, and using no more than once a month, preferably a few times a year, it is very safe and has will have no longterm negative affects on you.

[KC Meat]

Exactly, everything has can harm you, just like eating steak everyday is gonna make you have a heart attack. But it seems that most drug users that are not involved with the rave culture are very ill informed about Ectasy and seem to think it is soo bad for you and on the same level as heroine or something. Like when i mentioned I had used it they flipped out and where like, that shit puts holes in your brain, meanwhile they drink alcohol and smoke weed regularly.

I got home and did hella more research to totally confirm I am the one that is right. Oh and in the process I learned that Mary J causes short term memory loss, heavy heavy E use can cause negative effects on longterm memory.

Basically my conclusion as far as E goes, having read hella studies now, is that it is bad for you, but if used with precaution and knowing what you are doing, and using no more than once a month, preferably a few times a year, it is very safe and has will have no longterm negative affects on you.1) Please, for the love of god, quit using the word "hella"...my brain almost instantly tunes out anybody who uses that word...it makes you sound retarded, IMO...especially when trying to say that you've read a LOT of studies, instead saying "having read hella studies"...:thumbs:

2) You really have issues with HAVING to be right...you'll think you're right, go home, then research it to make damn sure you were...then you'll go and inform them or everybody around you that YOU WERE RIGHT!...:whogives:

[A.D]

Marijuana also can effect sperm production in pre-pubescent and pubescent boys, so I would be careful about that T.beck

[T.Beck]

1) Please, for the love of god, quit using the word "hella"...my brain almost instantly tunes out anybody who uses that word...it makes you sound retarded, IMO...especially when trying to say that you've read a LOT of studies, instead saying "having read hella studies"...:thumbs:

2) You really have issues with HAVING to be right...you'll think you're right, go home, then research it to make damn sure you were...then you'll go and inform them or everybody around you that YOU WERE RIGHT!...:whogives:

I don't have to be right, I just dont like my friends thinking I am crazy and stupid cuz I took a pill and to judge me for it, when they drink and smoke weed. I just feel a need to set the record straight, I am no more crazy and stupid than them.

I do like being right though, I will admit that. and sometimes I am known to be argumentative and devils advocate and take sides I don't even agree with just for the sake of argument.

I like the term Hella, I don't know why, I just do, it flows better than boring old "A lot" or "way" or "really"

Ha, you should here some of the byu i students, they say "Hecka" quite funny.

[KC Meat]

I've heard "hecka" and I want to backhand people who say it...people saying that are saying "hella," but modified it so it doesn't include the naughty no-no word "hell"...that's lame, you shouldn't be allowed to do that and still be cool with god...haha...but saying "hella" when trying to be taken seriously doesn't work...period...


I don't have to be right, I just dont like my friends thinking I am crazy and stupid cuz I took a pill and to judge me for it, when they drink and smoke weed. I just feel a need to set the record straight, I am no more crazy and stupid than them.Why do you care? If YOU know the truth, why do you even give a shit what they think?...let them think whatever the hell they want to...many of my friends think I'm crazy and stupid...the crazy part is perfectly valid, and as for "stupid," well, that's an ambiguous term...except for pissing in stairwells...that IS stupid...haha

[*Bunny*]

Alcohol, Caffiene, ritalin = drugs!

Marijuana = Medicine and Herb!

[adrena_line]

I think first we need to agree upon a clear definition of the word 'drug'

[T.Beck]

ya know what I think, I think Princess Bunnyball and Adrena_line have found common ground.

[Walka]

"an often illegal and sometimes addictive substance that causes changes in behavior and perception and is taken for the effects"

[N8orade]

Man, I want a beer right now. Maybe chase it with primo joint.

[Dj Nebula]

Is alcohol a drug? There's a fun little topic. For the fun of it.

Yes it is, and my liver is the cure! Doh!

:thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefin ger:

[*~TaNi~*]

alcohol makes me feel like the all mighty pirate.

[Walka]

ahh what a good old beer can do in the morning ;)

[Paperweight]

yeah.. i would say so!!



The rush from alcohol is as powerful as cocaine, which is why users become highly addicted after their first drink.

[Bhairava]

your moms a drug...

[*~TaNi~*]

then I'm going to present my mom as evidence in the court to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you're a mental case.

[Opaz]

this thread makes me want a hotdog... reallll bad......
/me runs to the kitchen.

I hope we have cheeeeeeese.

[Ex Inferi]

I say yes it is. In some cases worse than illegal drugs.

[Niimo]

Have you guys ever been really drunk driving, y'know, seeing double? If you close one eye, it helps.

Alcohol makes driving exciting.

[Niimo]

And YAY for fetal alcohol alcohol syndrome (http://www.faqs.org/nutrition/images/nwaz_01_img0099.jpg)!

Very interesting. Analyze (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/21723.jpg) your friends for FAS! It can be a fun party game :)

[ZanGo]

Drug = Chemicals Chemical=Alcohol

[ZanGo]

And YAY for fetal alcohol alcohol syndrome (\"http://www.faqs.org/nutrition/images/nwaz_01_img0099.jpg\")!

Very interesting. Analyze (\"http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/21723.jpg\") your friends for FAS! It can be a fun party game :)

In the Age of Aquarius

[*~TaNi~*]

Have you guys ever been really drunk driving, y'know, seeing double? If you close one eye, it helps.

Alcohol makes driving exciting.

i hope you're being sarcastic. Do you know how many fatalities we have of INNOCENT people on the streets because you think it's fun to run around plowing shit over?

Quite a few.

Drink Responsibly.

This message brought to you buy annheiser Busch (sp?)

[ZanGo]

i hope you're being sarcastic. Do you know how many fatalities we have of INNOCENT people on the streets because you think it's fun to run around plowing shit over?

Quite a few.

Drink Responsibly.

This message brought to you buy annheiser Busch (sp?)

Must not take young niimo's personal her comments

[*~TaNi~*]

sorry, I'm new to the board, and not sure how many drugs each of you have consumed. ;)

[Walka]

i hope you're being sarcastic. Do you know how many fatalities we have of INNOCENT people on the streets because you think it's fun to run around plowing shit over?

Quite a few.

Drink Responsibly.

This message brought to you buy annheiser Busch (sp?)

you mean

drunk driving is

...bad?:confused::confused::confused:





















:p

[*~TaNi~*]

u guys kid about it all you want. You won't be laughing when your daughter you love so dearly ends up dying in a bloody mess because somebody couldn't use their smrtz.

Blood, on your princess? Fuck that kind of death.

[M_Lee]

well no shit....^

:confused:

[Nick]

you mean

drunk driving is

...bad?:confused::confused::confused:

not until you get caught. *grrr*