New DJ's and/or Fresh Meat ...

[TinkFu]

So here's an issue that has been coming up A LOT lately ...

As most of us know, we as DJ’s have had to 'earn' our keep in this city of salt as a 'DJ'. And with that said, there have been a ton of new up-comers that seem to be getting booked before the other guy who has at least 1+ years of experience on them. If it's not that, then it's that someone who hasn’t even been playing for but maybe a year is getting a better time slot than the vet.

I'm curious to know your guys' thoughts on this. It sort of irritates me that this is going on because I know that myself as well as many others have had to put in YEARS and YEARS of work to get where we are today. But, times change and maybe we're getting to that point where skill, experience, or paying dues is ceasing to exist ... and maybe now it's all about politics (or has it always been about politics) !?! DUN DUN DUUUUN :confused:

/commence thoughts, feelings, rants, etc ...

p.s
I hope you guys dont take this thread in a 'wrong way' ... I'm simply bringing something to the table (or board if you will) that has been on other peoples' minds that are too shy to speak up about it ...

[Nick]

i'm a little too shy to go into full detail, but i was actually talking to someone about this on saturday. i agree with you, f'sho.

[TinkFu]

^ Dont be shy ... I'm serious on wanting to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. If you dont want to post it publically ... pm me !

[Scott the Ghost]

Especially when they are booking Dj's that play recorded cd's live.. WTF. That girl must give the best head EVOR!

[Scott the Ghost]

Personally I think bookings should be based upon talent..

[Walka]

more dj's=more growth for the scene

that's the bottom line unfortunately

[Scott the Ghost]

more dj's=more growth for the scene

that's the bottom line unfortunately

I wouldn't really say that.. Becoming a Dj has always been the make yourself cooler thing to do... The difference now is with the influx in these new production companies they are booking their friends who have little or no talent.

[TinkFu]

^ Right, I'm not saying more dj's = bad or anything. What I am saying is the more newb dj's that train wreck like a mother fucker who have a better time slot than someone who you're less likely to hear that from = gay. Even if they have a dope track selection, that shouldnt matter.

[Walka]

^ Right, I'm not saying more dj's = bad or anything. What I am saying is the more newb dj's that train wreck like a mother fucker who have a better time slot than someone who you're less likely to hear that from = gay. Even if they have a dope track selection, that shouldnt matter.

I agree.

I don't understand it either :D

[Niimo]

They're just charging less so they can be cool and try to get laid. Charging less saves promoters money.

Kids on drugs usually don't hear bad mixes, they just hear "Hey baby, I'm a Dj"

No more kids that just want to be rockstars, those kids are annoying. It's all about the music, it should always be about the music. People who are passionate about it (and not just being popular and getting laid) put on an amazing show.

[TinkFu]

So far all parties involved have played for free ... so no, it's not that they charge less to play (at least in this case).

[Scott the Ghost]

So far all parties involved have played for free ... so no, it's not that they charge less to play (at least in this case).

Do tell me the story please...

[Boo]

dood i would have to say that there are new promoters coming in and from there its knowing the right people. since there are new promoters they have their own friends who dj so then they get booked.

thats wat i would pin point it on. that and the promoters trying to hook the new dj's up....:cool:

that may be wrong but thats wat im thinking

[KC Meat]

Tink, I FULLY agree with you, and you know this! ;) ...it IS bullshit that it's slowly becomming who you're friends with instead of how much practice you've had...I've watched you, as well as Nici, work your asses off from the beginning (first time we met ya was when you were playing at Byron and Summer's house all by yourself haha)...I'm not saying that the n00b DJs aren't working hard as well, but on top of working hard they've apparently been kissing the right ass to get better time slots...maybe our generation DJs were used to the "work your way up" philosophy, you all respected the vets and didn't feel the instant need to be a headliner, rather you were content opening until you proved yourself...shit, Nici just BARELY started getting non-opening spots...and she's had to play before DJs who are brand new and train wreck almost every mix, which is BS...not to mention I've heard that some companies REQUIRE whatever up-comming DJ they have to play a certain time slot/not open/etc...even if it means putting a vet before them, which is rediculous...I don't care how good you think your DJ is, the fact still remains they haven't been around as much and still can't mix for shit...and even if you DO get your DJ whatever spot you're demanding, please remember that it doesn't mean we respect that DJ's "skills"...word spreads and contempt spreads with it...your method of getting them a certain timeslot is actually hurting their rep rather than helping it...I understand egos come into play, but when a line-up is announced and not just the DJ, but a lot of other people are like "WTF? How in the hell are you playing before (name)?!"...

^5 to Tinkers...

[Blacksunshine]

Of course it's all about politics. That is how anything that involved with money is. Yes, people hook up their friends, they will always do that too.


Ego has become my #1 turn off to the rave scene.


I have not problem with Tink, becuase you are true about your passion, and you just want to have fun...but when you run into braggars, or egos, or beggars...I just dont want to go anymore. it's discusting.


Tim asked me why he dosn't get booked ever...he's been playing for years and years. I said well do you give people your demo. he said yes, I said okay, then it's cuz your not annoying, your not rude, and your not an egotistical asshole....basically your a CofEA DJ. Your going to have to push thru brown nosing in order to come over the DJ"s that are playing these events...you choose


Needless to say, i got to hang out with him over the weekend...and I have no complaints about that.


I notice it's either the same ol same ol DJ's OR the DJ's were so annoying about getting booked...I dont even care to attend the party.

I see wher eyou are comming from on this Tink...you have paid your dues, along many other that STILL dont get booked.


I camp. People play when they want to...and dont when they dont want to...it's win win all around!!!

But good luck to everyone with their DJing carreer :)

[KC Meat]

dood i would have to say that there are new promoters coming in and from there its knowing the right people. since there are new promoters they have their own friends who dj so then they get booked.

thats wat i would pin point it on. that and the promoters trying to hook the new dj's up....:cool:

that may be wrong but thats wat im thinkingIt's true, that IS happening...but the new promoters need to realize that they really don't want to piss off the vets...if they want the vets to play at their parties, they damn-well better respect them and the time they've put into this...don't put your best buddy who's been spinning for a year total into an 11:30 - 12:30 spot, and give a vet 9:30 - 10:30...that's bullshit, and nobody's respecting you or your buddy...

[Niimo]

So far all parties involved have played for free ... so no, it's not that they charge less to play (at least in this case).
Really? Well then scratch that idea... Maybe the newbs just bitch and whine and moan about having a good slot because they feel so self important.

[Hail Caesar]

I fully understand this. Theres people out that have been playing for a year or 2 and claiming they're the best in the state in their genre and its pissing me off. They been battled and slaughtered and still get booked. Theres also people out there that have been playing for over a decade relatively unknown until recently and are now starting to get booked, and people think they're noobs. Theres also people that play too often imo. The way I see it is the better djs get the better slots. I recently got booked and am relatively unknown, however I wouldnt even think of obtaining a 11-12pm slot over someone such as Tink or Insideus. I'd prefer an earlier slot so I could watch em.

[Niimo]

I fully understand this. Theres people out that have been playing for a year or 2 and claiming they're the best in the state in their genre and its pissing me off. They been battled and slaughtered and still get booked. Theres also people out there that have been playing for over a decade relatively unknown until recently and are now starting to get booked, and people think they're noobs. Theres also people that play too often imo. The way I see it is the better djs get the better slots. I recently got booked and am relatively unknown, however I wouldnt even think of obtaining a 11-12pm slot over someone such as Tink or Insideus. I'd prefer an earlier slot so I could watch em.
Check out the humility and respect (even if yer just kissing ass :p j/k)! Maybe others can learn from your example.

[Hail Caesar]

Check out the humility and respect (even if yer just kissing ass :p j/k)! Maybe others can learn from your example.

Haha! Ya I see where that would come from but all honesty is not. Ive never met Insideus, have met Tink a few times however theres NO doubt they know how to rock the party. I respect that due to the fact that as a dj I learn something new from them everytime I see them play. It would make no sense for them to be watching me play after their set contrary to differing styles, genres, and even though I think I have some weapons in my arsenal also.

[Blacksunshine]

I would hope that any DJ would have some unique Arsinol. And that also is unattractive....Dj's that dont have the passion of what they are doing...cool factor, or what ever...Everyone on the dance floor can feel passion...and that is what raving is about...and if the DJ lacks that...and dosn't find their own style, and uniquness, but just plays records....everyone knows it, and it's boring. (fuck people that is what MUSIC is about...I dont give a fuck if it's country)


Years ago and on to today...when we said "it's all about the music" perhaps we were kicking our own asses with that mind frame...it's about a whole hell of a lot more then just the music. It's about passion, drive, uniquness, respect, PLUR, the community, and sharing. And as it has come to be with kids of the 70's on thru today...we are (we were taught this way) spoiled, selfish, unworthy, expecting, lazy, assholes...and see it's even commin across in the Dj world...whoda thought :rolleyes:


Anyway that's all for now.


We all sit here and wonder why it's the way it is...give up on the way it is, or bitch about the way it is...hoping someone else takes the responsibility to change it or make it different....and it's not going to happen, until YOU put in the efforts. Otherwise, you do just need to accept it as is. really I mean it...unfortunately...that is where society in general is going.


You have some guy that has been hard at work for 20-30 years, and some punk 20 year old kid just out of college wanting that mans salary and that mans job. And that's your carreer...shit all we're talking about here...is a weekend hobby.

eh, I donno.


Sorry for my rant

Continue on.

[Walka]

Haha! Ya I see where that would come from but all honesty is not. Ive never met Insideus, have met Tink a few times however theres NO doubt they know how to rock the party. I respect that due to the fact that as a dj I learn something new from them everytime I see them play. It would make no sense for them to be watching me play after their set contrary to differing styles, genres, and even though I think I have some weapons in my arsenal also.
I agree with the comment on Tink

insideus...not so much

[InnerjetiK]

nice topic! i agree with you 100% on this issue you do have to work your way to the top. it shouldn't just be a homie hook up situation. on the other hand fresh talent is nice.....i've only played 2 party's and i have another one comming up, and if every time i play its from 9-10 or whatever no one will ever really know who i am or what i spin. how do you grow from there? noobz deserve chances to shine every once and a while as long as there ready and it dosent step on someones toes thats been in the game for a while. as far as "trainwrecks" it happens even to the best of us. dont tell me you vets have never fucked up a mix before.:2cents:

[Hail Caesar]

I agree with the comment on Tink

insideus...not so much

Understood, was just comparison due to they fact they are more well known within the scene. The people I learn from most dont play out that often if at all, however Ill have the pleasure of sharing the decks with one in December.

[Walka]

Understood, was just comparison due to they fact they are more well known within the scene. The people I learn from most dont play out that often if at all, however Ill have the pleasure of sharing the decks with one in December.

word.

:D

[TinkFu]

^ i fuck up all the time :D lol

Anyways, see I didnt want this subject to sound like I'm trying to say that the newer dj's arent shit, because honestly, I've heard a ton and there's some fucking sick new up and coming talent in this state that I'm excited to see break out :D ...

We ALL had to start off with a 'chance' to play ... and by no right am I trying to say that I'm a vet at all what-so-ever because I'm not ! But I believe i've worked hard to get where I am today :0) And I dont really think in order to get booked at these larger scale shows you need to brown nose or kiss ass ... but, you need to remain in contact with all these promoters. Dont expect to get booked by just sitting on your ass waiting for it to fall into your lap. You have to make it happen on your own by at least 75% (hand out demos, post your mixes online and spam the crap out of edm boards, stay active and in contact with promoters, myspace is DEFF. key, and dont piss people off lol) ;)

*gone*

[TinkFu]

P.S
Blacksunshine ... i foooking love you ! That's all there is to that ;) :D <3

P.P.S
This thread is not about me (nor any 1 person(s) in general). It's about an observation I've made about others.

P.P.P.S
PLUR N SHIT ! ... please refrain from name dropping.

AND ONE MORE THING ... hahahaaa DJ MUTHER FUCKING CRAZE IS TONIGHT :D :D :D :D

[KC Meat]

...and if every time i play its from 9-10 or whatever no one will ever really know who i am or what i spin. how do you grow from there? noobz deserve chances to shine every once and a while as long as there ready and it dosent step on someones toes thats been in the game for a while. as far as "trainwrecks" it happens even to the best of us. dont tell me you vets have never fucked up a mix before.:2cents:1) N00bs should expect opening spots for a while, it's usually the way it works...I know it sux, and people don't get to hear you play, but it usually lies in the promoter's hands to hear you play and decide you deserve to play at a later time the next time you're booked...it's ultimately the promoter's decision, not the people who hear you...also, playing out at clubs allows more people to hear you, also allows the promoters to hear you more...S&S anybody? :D

2) Trainwrecking every now and then is understandable...trainwrecking damn-near every track isn't...


P.S
AND ONE MORE THING ... hahahaaa DJ MUTHER FUCKING CRAZE IS TONIGHT :D :D :D :DDJ who? ;)


Tim asked me why he dosn't get booked ever...he's been playing for years and years. I said well do you give people your demo. he said yes, I said okay, then it's cuz your not annoying, your not rude, and your not an egotistical asshole....basically your a CofEA DJ. Your going to have to push thru brown nosing in order to come over the DJ"s that are playing these events...you chooseDid you ask him how many events he attends?...one thing to keep in mind is that you need to support those you want to support you...we at S&S love when a DJ comes out, supports, and THEN asks to play...it's not a requirement, but it's awesome when they support and aren't there only to play and then leave...Nici started getting booked more when we started going to the parties she wasn't playing at...he also needs to keep in contact with the promoters...keeping in contact doesn't = brown nosing...it means seeing them regularly and reminding them that you're there...not getting booked isn't necessarily b/c you aren't annoying, brown nosing, or being egotistical, it may lie soley on the fact that you're never around :2cents:

[TinkFu]

The "homie hook ups" is where you're more than likely going to get your chance to break out ! I'm sure that we all started with a HHU (that means homie hook up kc lol). I know I did ... but i spent years being the opening dj ... i didnt care or mind though, because i knew my time would come and I needed/need to keep working harder towards my goals as a dj.

[Blacksunshine]

Did you ask him how many events he attends?...one thing to keep in mind is that you need to support those you want to support you...we at S&S love when a DJ comes out, supports, and THEN asks to play...it's not a requirement, but it's awesome when they support and aren't there only to play and then leave...Nici started getting booked more when we started going to the parties she wasn't playing at...he also needs to keep in contact with the promoters...keeping in contact doesn't = brown nosing...it means seeing them regularly and reminding them that you're there...not getting booked isn't necessarily b/c you aren't annoying, brown nosing, or being egotistical, it may lie soley on the fact that you're never around :2cents:[/quote]

eh, you know tim, I'm sure you do....he is very supportive. He cant support SnS becuase he delivers pizza til 2 o nTuesday, so he would never be able to play that night or even be there...but that was another thing I talked to him about. He is at everything...but he really dosn't speak up...unless I slap him of course.


And I say that sometimes I do disagree with keeping in touch with the promoters...really it depends on the promoters you are talking about...I see alot of the same ol names...ALL THE TIME...same ol same ol.


But again, I said hunny, you can always play cofea...so just if you feel the need to play...call me. I'd do that for just about anyone tho ;). Not saying SnS wouldn't but MOST of us, really cant get out on Tuesday night. I was talkin g about the larger scale "raves"

[InnerjetiK]

The "homie hook ups" is where you're more than likely going to get your chance to break out ! I'm sure that we all started with a HHU (that means homie hook up kc lol).

hey tink? wanna be my hommie?;)

[Blacksunshine]

and I open my face to Tim slapping me next time I see him...but will he? no. So I will drop drop drop his cute name.


He was sad....he really would love to play more...and his fucking Dub step is orgazmic, or shall I say eargazmic

[TinkFu]

^ wait, who is tim ?!!!

Inner - Are you 21+ ?

[InnerjetiK]

Inner - Are you 21+ ?

yep! 22

[Hyver]

Tim is Xzentradi. I've known him since I started spinning, we worked at the movie theater together, and then I worked with him at the pizza place for a few years. If anyone deserves to be getting more bookings than they are it's tim. That kids got talant oozing out of him, in purely non-sexual ways ^^

I have the same problem as tim, I've been playing since 2001, but I never even started to get booked until just this past year. Most of it is poor self promotion on my own part. I suspect a good deal of it is me being the only freeform, and usually the only gabber dj in utah (LFI came in, but sadly he's not with us anymore :-( Legion just moved into town also, I havn't gotten to play with him yet).

On the upside of things, I'm the best DJ in my genre in Utah!

[Blacksunshine]

I am too Hyver...go figure.


My genre is THE SUCK :) and no one ever books me exept for Geromie, and when the others dont want me to play, we tell them to fuck off...and they dont...but they wait, patiently


yes, that timmy


mmmmm dub step

[TinkFu]

Ohhhh that Tim ... okay, yeah, tim IS the shit :D

[Blacksunshine]

People I hang out with = the shit


People that know the people I hang out with also = the shit


everyone = the shit


my life kicks ass!!!!


Course I'm not a Dj ;)


Love this thread tink

[T.Beck]

My name is also Tim, the T in T.Beck =Tim anyway. I come from a band background, and I see DJing the same way, its all about DIY. I moved to Utah and wanted to spin, I have never made a demo but still want to, so what did I do, I started my own club night in Provo. Then I wanted to start playing Rave type parties, so what did I do? I threw my own party(Epik), and since I am new(in UT, I have played for 3+ years) I willingly played from 4-5 AM after most people had crashed. I have been in contact with every promoter now about myself getting booked and now its a matter of me just making a Demo and I think soon you'll start seeing a lot more parties with T.Beck on the flyer. even if I play 7-8 PM.

I was kinda bummed at Epik cuz Brandon told me he'd listen to me and book me for a v2 party if he approved and then crashed and missed it. He apoligized though and said to just get him a demo.

Talent+DIY ethic+ making connections=booking

[8-Bit]

I've been playing for a few years now and I really only get to play when friends of mine that have nights at places ask me too. So I get Mikado every other Thursday and Nico hooks me up pretty good over at Johnny's. Other than that, next to nothing really. It's pretty few and far between.

I'd like to play some of the big shows that go on all the time, but I know I've still got dues to pay. That's why, after I gave my demo to Jeremy about a year ago or so I keep bugging him to give me an opening slot every time I see him. (he's got to be sick of me by now :D) I don't need to be a superstar, I just like to play. I don't really beat myself up over not getting booked before someone with less experience does.

If I wanted it bad enough, I'd make it happen for myself. I'm just thankful I've got friends that have been so rad to watch my back for me and get me the limited exposure that I DO have:rolleyes:

Good post though Tink!

My personal opinion on the EXACT topic would be: I don't think you should get to play unless you deserve it.

[Mizz Nici]

I don't mind being the Mizztress of Sound Check. Its kind of a catchy name and just means I get to spend the rest of the night partying with my friends :)

Occasionally it bothers me when I only get to play 1-3 records and have to end my set there because someone who has been playing less years then me (and not very well) feels his/her turn is NOW even though slots got pushed back..

I feel bad when I get booked, even for an opening spot, and Tink does not :(

I suck at promoting myself and personally don't really care... I have always said, and will always say I am not a DJ.. I just like to spin records :D

[KC Meat]

I'm sure that we all started with a HHU (that means homie hook up kc lol).Thank you...now that you gave a definition for a new acronym, I'll know WTF yer talkin 'bout :D


He is at everything...but he really dosn't speak up...unless I slap him of course.Oh, he has LFI's problem then, he's too quiet?...yea, unfortunately getting booked isn't 100% talent, there is a major social aspect to it...kinda like selling yourself...some people are misrepresenting themselves though hahaha :D

[DJ Will Phillips]

I think if you love to spin, timeslots shouldn't matter. But, I'm also a believer in paying your dues and earning respect to get to play at better parties and better timeslots. Personally I kinda like opening cause you get to set the mood for the entire night. Hopefully the promoters use their best judgement when choosing dj's and timeslots.

KEEP ON GROOVIN!

[T.Beck]

Style you spin matters too. Quack Quack is self admitedly not the best DJ around, but he plays music no one else plays(as corny and cheesy as it is) and he is entertaining, and outgoing and nice. I am going to put The Rapture, and The Faint, and other dance rock on my mix. I figure no one else is playing that(well, Thur. at Trapp, Wed. and Fri. at W) but those DJs are shitty Djs and don't know how to beat match and mix. Now that pisses me off, shitty DJs that can't spin having club nights that are successfull. Trapp thursdays is huge now and Jeff(DJ DC) doesn't know how to spin for shit. some with W on Fridays. It scares me to put that music in a demo cuz I know Brandon doesn't like that music, but I figure he can skip to track 7 on and its bangin electro house.

being outgoing and making connections=a good thing. once I have my demo that thing is going to every promoter every club night every everything, and I am confident I will be booked alot

[COBOL]

I totally agree with Tink and all the others input. I've been playing around a year and a half, and am very grateful for the opportunities I've been given to play out, thanks mostly to mah supa dope homiez Tink, Hobbes and Josh, who heard my demo or me actually playing and decided I was worth booking/pimping. I completely agree with the idea of working your way up and paying dues, and as was the case with Epik, even if I was opening and there wasnt a bunch of kids there yet, a lot of the people who knew what's up were there and got to have a listen, which was very satisfying for me. I hope I can bring something unique to the scene in the future and am really happy to be a part of it at all. So theres my :2cents: and thanks for everything everyone!

[Dj Nebula]

There is nothing more valuable at a party than a Dj with "Experience" on the decks. I have been at this for 14+ years, and my phone is not ringing off the hook, but I see alot of younger Dj's getting booked. It takes alot more than buying some decks, tracks and playing records. Maybe all of these new promoters will pick up on who has been around and who has been doing what since the beginning here in SLC. If you are like myself and have been djing for as long as I have, you do this for a reason, all the bullshit aside, because you love the music! That's it, that's all I've got!

[Mista Malice]

The people I learn from most dont play out that often if at all, however Ill have the pleasure of sharing the decks with one in December.

:D

December will be Sick indeed!!


I have the same problem as tim, I've been playing since 2001, but I never even started to get booked until just this past year. Most of it is poor self promotion on my own part.


I've been playing for a few years now and I really only get to play when friends of mine that have nights at places ask me too. .

I look at it this way, The longer it takes for you to play out....The better you will be when you do. The people that have been in the scene will always be able to pick apart who knows how to spin some records and who doesn't (or else threads this like this one wouldn't exist :)).


There is nothing more valuable at a party than a Dj with "Experience" on the decks. I have been at this for 14+ years, and my phone is not ringing off the hook, but I see alot of younger Dj's getting booked. It takes alot more than buying some decks, tracks and playing records. Maybe all of these new promoters will pick up on who has been around and who has been doing what since the beginning here in SLC. If you are like myself and have been djing for as long as I have, you do this for a reason, all the bullshit aside, because you love the music! That's it, that's all I've got!

I've been playing for almost 10 years now and agree 100% with this. To me spinning records is more of a Passion and getting booked is just a Bonus and alot of the newer DJ's I see in the scene (not all of them of course) have it the other way around and need to get their priorities straight before they start playing out and calling themselves DJ's.

Back to the topic though.... Alot of it is Politics and Homie Hook Ups and really all of the promoting crews in the scene operate this way and thats not gonna change anytime soon, however some crews out here have better judgement on who gets what timeslot based on talent. Putting somebody thats only been playing for about 3 months before someone that can really play some records is just Fucked Up and the same goes for putting a bunch of Talentless DJ's on the Main Stage and Seasoned Veterans on the 2nd stage with Shitty sound and Gear!! :thumbs:

[InnerjetiK]

you do this for a reason, all the bullshit aside, because you love the music! That's it, that's all I've got!

quoted for the muthafuckin truth!

[CraigRobin]

There is nothing more valuable at a party than a Dj with "Experience" on the decks. I have been at this for 14+ years, and my phone is not ringing off the hook, but I see alot of younger Dj's getting booked. It takes alot more than buying some decks, tracks and playing records. Maybe all of these new promoters will pick up on who has been around and who has been doing what since the beginning here in SLC. If you are like myself and have been djing for as long as I have, you do this for a reason, all the bullshit aside, because you love the music! That's it, that's all I've got!


Good point Dr. Nebz.

[*Bunny*]

^ Dont be shy ... I'm serious on wanting to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. If you dont want to post it publically ... pm me !
I think it is all politics. Not all, but a lot. I am sure if you put in the cd's of several dj's and didn't know who they were a lot of them would not get booked because they are mediocre at best yet people are retarded and think they are good.

News kids - just because people cheer sometimes does not mean you are a good dj or should be playing out for that matter, it means probably that you played a good track and that is it. :2cents:

[*Bunny*]

Personally I think bookings should be based upon talent..Bookings should be based on only talent. If you have a good show on top of it cool, but if you fuck up and hurt my ears you can bet your ass I will notice and remember.


The difference now is with the influx in these new production companies they are booking their friends who have little or no talent.True. :2cents:

And anyone who wants my opinion on any given dj they can ask I am not posting that here.

[Blacksunshine]

This thread reminds me of how much I love to run in circles. Oh that is a good time!!!

[PapaChops]

Shit, this thread just makes me want to learn how to spin records more so then I already do. If I don't get started now I won't ever get booked till I'm 40:p

But on to the current topic. You will always have those amazing musicians who fly under the radar, and those horrible musicians who for some reason are popular. Eventually the second party takes over and dominates the scene. This is the natural progression of every musical genre since the dawn of man.

But seriously, I need to find some decks sos I can start learning how to play with them rekkids you cats are always talking 'bout. Wish I didn't work Wed nights so I could go to S&S more often:( Only been to one (Bazooka Joe, Hobbes, Tink, Nicci and one other cat played whose name I can't recall)

And on a related but random note, what happened to the Reverend Gman? Saw that guy spin at Evo and he was fucking awesome, but I don't think I've seen him at a show since.

[Skagenerate]

I love to run in circles. Oh that is a good time!!!

me to... especially with little kids.. they're better at it than most adults..

[Blacksunshine]

yeah, they can go on and on like the song. actually makin me dizzy...and ALMOST feel old.
eh, no, i'm lying about that one


I think that playing with a yo-yo sounds fun!!! :D

[nosay]

I too agree with what Tink is saying here. Seems like every flyer I see lately, there is a name I've never heard of before. Not saying that I'm any better....(newb this year, but not a newb to playing or the scene, you all know this)...it really upsets me when you never hear the "Ol'-School" cats getting played out. But some Jon Doe is on every flyer. "Bring back the old kids!!!" Take our latest show for instance...not going to spam your thread but we're bringin back some heads that haven't played here or out for a really long time...as a matter of fact, nightdroppin' isn't even playing at it!! That's what it should be all about...talent not popularity!!!!!


:2cents:, sorry had to

[Nick]

:2cents:, sorry had to

you do whatchu gotta do, mang. i completely agree witchu.

[Brian Blurr]

a good dj is a good dj....i dont think time matters.....what does matter is if they got the skills to pay tha bills!!!!!!!!!!!!! SON!



hehehe

[TinkFu]

^ Son !! Son !! Son !! Son !!

Like Woah !

[tacha]

someone should throw a party for shitty noobs to play at and then give all the good DJ's their proper timeslots. ;)

[Blacksunshine]

hahah I would but I cant even get the sucky new dj's to come play our events. HAHAh we just get the same o kids that love them selves some campin. hahah

[tacha]

see this would solve everything.

[Blacksunshine]

I t really would...I could really care less about the talent of the player...I jsut like to see me some :D's. maybe that why most people wont hang out...they think well you have the crappy music.


But do I?????? :eyebrows:

[N8orade]

This thread makes me happy!! I didn't even get booked for a bar until I had been playing for over 4 years. Now I see kids that have been playing for 2 and get a timeslot after me. WTF!!!! I know kids are hungry to play, I know I was and so was everyone else when they started, but you do have to pay dues. I hate turning people away from gigs that I throw but I only will book people that have been playing for over 5 years.

Darkness Falls doesn't have ONE dj that hasn't been playing for over a decade!! Most people probably don't recognize the djs because they were booked out way back in the 1900's!!

[PapaChops]

I understand having to pay your dues and all that, but saying you can't play a show unless you've played X amount of years/shows is rather ridiculous. I have seen artists/musicians who had hardly been played for a couple of years yet they could blow away a lot of the mainstays of their local scene.

Book artists on talent, not years they've been playing, plain and simple. Ten years of playing poorly is still ten years of playing poorly.

[tacha]

I think its a bit of a generalization about the artist asking for at least 5 years of experience. It's sort of like saying on a job posting that you'd like someone to have a degree or equivalent experience. You can judge each case by it's merit. You want someone that has proven themselves and is not just a legend in their own mind or amongst their tone deaf friends...

[T.Beck]

For the old DJs that don't play out anymore or whatever, I say its their fault, they need to promote themselves. Unless you are known, promoters aren't just going to come to you, you need to go to them.

In Esatern Idaho I had quite the problem as a promoter, There were no DJs to book. Its a better problem to have an overabbundance than none at all. It was funny, my friend Logan used to put himself on flyers under like 3 different DJ names from different states and play 2-3 sets the same party. He was like "angel of music" is the name I go by when I play trance, "bla bla, I forget what it was" is the name I go by when I play house. and he'd put from TN and CA on the flyer even though he lived in Idaho. It was funny, thats what we had to do, there were just a couple real DJs.

As far as I know there are still only 2 DJs in I.F. area, Sonic and Dave Shipley(he used to live in UT), both are good and know what they are doing.

[Mizz Nici]

. I hate turning people away from gigs that I throw but I only will book people that have been playing for over 5 years.



What I don't understand is how do you determine how long someone has been playing. Is it based on how long they have been spinning records or how long they have been playing live.

For example... I have been spinning records since 2000. (7 years) I have been spinning live since about 2003 (4 years) and I have had a club night for 2 years. Now just because I started spinning in 2000 doesn't necessarily mean I am a good dj. And just because I started playing live (at actual shows and what not) in 2003 doesn't mean I was doing it well.

Where do you draw the line? All in all it should be based on talent but again everyone should pay their dues. With the over abundance of Djs utah has and all the new production companies coming out it seems that more and more people who have done just that, paid their dues, are getting passed up for those who have not.

I can speak from experience, playing opening sets helps you get the feel of what it is like to play on a larger system. It helps you fine tune your sound and helps you to learn how NOT to blow a system. I wouldn't trade my opening sets for the world. Its like training wheels on a bike. Lol But too many newer djs are jumping head first into spinning these better time slots and it hurts those involved that much more. If you book a dj that is not that good, the promoter looks just as bad as the one on stage.

My :2cents:

[Blacksunshine]

Maybe this thread can help us with the 2 parties in one night dilema :confused:


perhaps it is possible to have more then one party in one night....and in the end irnoically EVERYONE would be happy.


*just a thought*

[dilvie]

Dont expect to get booked by just sitting on your ass waiting for it to fall into your lap. You have to make it happen on your own by at least 75% (hand out demos, post your mixes online and spam the crap out of edm boards, stay active and in contact with promoters, myspace is DEFF. key, and dont piss people off lol) ;)

*gone*

Listen to Tink. She knows what she's talking about.

If you want to get booked at parties, go to parties, get to know the promoters, play wherever and whenever you can, get your demo out there.. you want your name to be EVERYWHERE. Toss up a DJ mix and get a banner on this message board to advertise it.

Stay in contact with promoters. Out of sight, out of mind. If you want to get booked, you need to be present.

And Tink, gorgeous. You're a superstar to me. I love your sets, and every time I see your name on a flyer, it makes me want to drop whatever I'm doing and go. <333

- Eric

[DJ Quack Quack]

Good post tink, This has been on my mind to! I just recently got my slot swaped for a noob dj and they told me i was going to be opening and I raised hell, but also I never mind opening for the DJs that have been doing there thing longer then me, you gotta earn your spot, and promoters need to realise there are reasons why our top locals play our top spots.



, unfortunately getting booked isn't 100% talent, Unless your me:cool:

[ZanGo]

Well this thread is striaght up and I believe that I would fall in the category of being a noob to DJing, My personal stay on all my music is if you have a chance to listen to me play and it effects you rather negative or positive I have succeeded, My goal period is to progress the sound that has inspired me and to show the difference in that sound, and for the record I've only told people to listen to me and make there own answer, have I tried to push myself out there?? Of Course!!! Who hasn't that just shows I have the drive to get out there and move people....I'm young in my journey but I will only get more and more explosive and I will bring more and more toons, all I know is what I want to do which is bring this sound out to the world

[ZanGo]

:D
I look at it this way, The longer it takes for you to play out....The better you will be when you do. The people that have been in the scene will always be able to pick apart who knows how to spin some records and who doesn't (or else threads this like this one wouldn't exist :)).

I've been playing for almost 10 years now and agree 100% with this.:thumbs:

Wait...Didn't you battle some young kid last year that had been playing for 6 months and tear that kid a new one? LOL That was me hahahahhaha, you the man Malice!!!

[Dj Nebula]

What I don't understand is how do you determine how long someone has been playing. Is it based on how long they have been spinning records or how long they have been playing live.

For example... I have been spinning records since 2000. (7 years) I have been spinning live since about 2003 (4 years) and I have had a club night for 2 years. Now just because I started spinning in 2000 doesn't necessarily mean I am a good dj. And just because I started playing live (at actual shows and what not) in 2003 doesn't mean I was doing it well.

Where do you draw the line? All in all it should be based on talent but again everyone should pay their dues. With the over abundance of Djs utah has and all the new production companies coming out it seems that more and more people who have done just that, paid their dues, are getting passed up for those who have not.

I can speak from experience, playing opening sets helps you get the feel of what it is like to play on a larger system. It helps you fine tune your sound and helps you to learn how NOT to blow a system. I wouldn't trade my opening sets for the world. Its like training wheels on a bike. Lol But too many newer djs are jumping head first into spinning these better time slots and it hurts those involved that much more. If you book a dj that is not that good, the promoter looks just as bad as the one on stage.

My :2cents:

Let me clarify my point, it is not the number of years that you have been playing, trust me there are some Dj's that have been playing for years that will clear a floor rather rapidly. What I meant from my post was that experience is the key. An experienced Dj will know how to read a crowd, play music that fits their time slot, when booked to open for a visiting Dj, not try to show boat it, but get the floor moving, and most of all, be themselves, not try to glam-star it just because you are a Dj. I have had many nights, (and those of you who have seen me play and actually know who I am, know what I am taking about here) where I have been the opener, closer, warm up for the headliner, and headlined the show as well. Each of those time slots need a set of music that fits that time in the evening. I do not think someone with little experience adjusting to those different times will do as well rocking the floor as someone that has had the experience filling those time slots and getting the floor moving no matter what time they are booked for. I agree that playing in your bedroom and playing on a system that is loud with a crowd in front of you for sure is different. So just to clarify, my quote on playing for 14 years was in reference to that is 14 years on live sound sytems, playing full time residencies, traveling to other cities where you are the headliner and you have to rock a scene you are not familiar with, playing over 152 shows in a year, and the over all marketing and promoting of one's self to get gigs in the first place. Due's you say? I gave up trying to count how many times I payed those, I leave that out of the equation at all times now. It is all about just being yourself, loving what you do, and having a great time doing it. When in doubt, House it out!

[dilvie]

I would fall in the category of being a noob

Yes you would, but if I were still running the Knobtweakers club night, I'd give you a headlining spot. I think you have a good feel for what makes a strong set.

Sometimes it's more about ability than how long you've been playing. I'm pretty sure Tink recognizes that.

[dilvie]

Here's a fun fact. When I opened the Knobtweakers club night, I listened to hundreds of demos to choose the resident DJ's. I originally picked DJ Decibel and Josh Max, neither of whom were getting a ton of bookings. In fact, Josh Max had barely played outside his bedroom.

Looking back, I probably should have booked at least one local superstar with an established following to pull bigger crowds and get people more interested, but I don't regret my choice to give fresh blood a chance to shine, because these guys had honed their skills and track selections for years in the comfort of their homes, and they both KICKED MAJOR ASS.

To this day, they are my favorite DJ's in the SLC scene as far as putting together solid track selections. I'd offer them residencies again in a heartbeat.

[KC Meat]

Looking back, I probably should have booked at least one local superstar with an established following to pull bigger crowds and get people more interested...Yea, that's def something that needs to be considered when booking for a club or event...if the person booked isn't pulling heads, they usually aren't booked again, or at least not nearly as frequently...it takes money to keep a club night or production company going, so unfortunately that DOES come into play...

[Skagenerate]

is the title of this thread implying that kc is not fresh?

if so.. i agree.

[Solid UNDA Ground]

This isn't anything new, or been coming up SO much lately, its always been an issue in Salt Lake, haha!

It used to bug me a lil a few years back, but these days I could care less.
I used to have a contract stating I had to spin between the hours of 11-2AM, and I played a shit ton of "headlining" slots. These days I just figure if the promoter contacts me to book me, he/she should know my style and know where they want to put me, etc. It seems the longer I play the more earlier my slots get, but this doesn't bug me anymore, because I'm an old geezer now(haha! not really), but I still get paid the same and still get to "rock it" and have a killer time.

The way I look at it from a promoters view:
Newer DJ's get earlier slots.
Slower BPM music gets earlier slots.
-
If you want a later / prime time / headlining slot:
Get some years under your belt, miles on those wheelz of steel.
Have skillz to go along with those years and experience, if you train wreck I'm gonna be pissed, show me or WOW me of what makes you a better DJ than the next DJ wanting your position.
And lastly but not the most important, have a faster style(higher BPM) to make my parties night progress by the music, not just by the time passing.
exa:
9PM - Breaks - 130/135
10 - House/Trance - 135/138
11 - Progressive/Club/Speed Garage - 138/143
12 - Hard Dance/HardStyle/NRG - 145/150
1 - Drum N Bass/Happy Hardcore - 160/180

Now this scale can easily range n' change by what specific style/genre you spin.

I'm not saying I base all my parties off of this scale and these tactics, but it plays a major role. The scales start weighing back n forth to even my music flow and parties night by styles/genres and experience of my DJ's.

[Nick]

9PM - Breaks - 130/135
10 - House/Trance - 135/138
11 - Progressive/Club/Speed Garage - 138/143
12 - Hard Dance/HardStyle/NRG - 145/150
1 - Drum N Bass/Happy Hardcore - 160/180


i couldn't agree with you more. not just because i'm a drum'n'bass-head, but because it's true. people just don't feel those genres as much when they're played at 7 or 8.

[Mista Malice]

Wait...Didn't you battle some young kid last year that had been playing for 6 months and tear that kid a new one? LOL That was me hahahahhaha, you the man Malice!!!

LOL!! Whatever man...I always have a good time playing with you and I'm not about "tearing anybody a new one" when I play. You might be a n00b, but your doing something right out there because your on every flier I see and you've definitely improved since the first time I've seen you play. :)


DJ Decibel.... but I don't regret my choice to give fresh blood a chance to shine, because these guys had honed their skills and track selections for years in the comfort of their homes, and they both KICKED MAJOR ASS.

To this day, they are my favorite DJ's in the SLC scene as far as putting together solid track selections. I'd offer them residencies again in a heartbeat.

Decibel's a Fucking Bad Ass!!!

[ZanGo]

Here's a fun fact. When I opened the Knobtweakers club night, I listened to hundreds of demos to choose the resident DJ's. I originally picked DJ Decibel and Josh Max, neither of whom were getting a ton of bookings. In fact, Josh Max had barely played outside his bedroom.

Looking back, I probably should have booked at least one local superstar with an established following to pull bigger crowds and get people more interested, but I don't regret my choice to give fresh blood a chance to shine, because these guys had honed their skills and track selections for years in the comfort of their homes, and they both KICKED MAJOR ASS.

To this day, they are my favorite DJ's in the SLC scene as far as putting together solid track selections. I'd offer them residencies again in a heartbeat.

Whoa....Tell you the truth I didn't even know you ran Knobtweakers and truthfully You were right in picking Decibel because that kid can rock the house

[Hail Caesar]

I'm not about "tearing anybody a new one" when I play.

Oh but you know Im down with ending a set with some Current Value for the next dj. :thefinger:

[TinkFu]

This isn't anything new, or been coming up SO much lately, its always been an issue in Salt Lake, haha!

... well, right. Of 'course' it's NOT a new issue haha ! However it HAS been coming up A LOT lately. ... or at least in the recent discussions that have been coming up ........... sooooo yeah

[Solid UNDA Ground]

... well, right. Of 'course' it's NOT a new issue haha ! However it HAS been coming up A LOT lately. ... or at least in the recent discussions that have been coming up ........... sooooo yeah

I hear ya, it was coming up a lot in discussions a few years back for me.
The scene comes in waves~
waves of new DJ's~
waves of new promoters~
waves of new ravers~

It kinda repeats itself or its history every about 2 years?

[Mista Malice]

Oh but you know Im down with ending a set with some Current Value for the next dj. :thefinger:

You gotta have "Faith". :eyebrows:

[Miss Mustang]

Muummmm you gotta have faith....

/trails off in the George Michael song..... (heard it earlier....)

[*AshleyC*]

Did someone say fresh meat??

haha

[TinkFu]

It kinda repeats itself or its history every about 2 years?

It's trip how this shit works lol


Did someone say fresh meat??

haha

... i'll stab you c*murdah ;)

[Hail Caesar]

You gotta have "Faith". :eyebrows:


Now thats just pushin it ;)

[arcOne]

"some people lose their faith because heaven shows them too little..."

Current Value is the fucking man. Period.

[arcOne]

Oh but you know Im down with ending a set with some Current Value for the next dj. :thefinger:


Why end the set with Current Value? Why not an entire set of Current Value tunes? Shit... why not have a Current Value appreciation night?

[r3m1x3d]

So - this has come up in another thread, and I would like to make some points that I made in the other thread for those who haven't seen it, because I feel very strongly about this:



I have trainwrecked nearly every set, so I am going to say its ok. All though only 2 of the times were because of me being a noob, all the other times are craized friends/fans bumping the decks, tackling me, putting there hand on the record, changing equipment out during my set, etc. etc. etc.

As long as your track selection is good, people are dancing, and its some one elses fault its all good!

I don't know how DJ's can think this is acceptable and expect to get good bookings.

I for one booked my last couple of shows based on the fact that I payed for services that I expected to live up to certain expectations. One of those is that if you're a DJ that I'm paying for - I expect you to know what the fuck you're doing and match beats and entertain my crowd. I will never book a half-assed DJ who thinks that portaying yourself in an unprofessional and untalented manner is acceptable just because he/she is a DJ and has good songs. If I wanted just good songs, I would get them myself. That isn't what I want. I want them mixed and presented in a talented fashion that a music "expert" should be able to do to entertain me. Turntablism is about more than just the tracks, it's using audio as a medium to create artistic expression. The people who understand that and are passionate about that are the people I book.


I would rather hear some dope tracks that wern't mixed perfectly then some DJ that is amazing at mixing but just stands there the whole time like a cardboard cut out. Its hard to feel the music if the dj can't put on a good show.

You make it sound like its one or the other without a happy medium...

:rolleyes:

I see excellent DJ's all the time that have awesome tracks, excellent mixing skills, and perfect execution - and the whole time they're jammin' out with the crowd to their own set. Thats talent I'll pay for...


I personally can't stand the attitude of ALOT of new DJ's thinking its ok to mix half-assed "as long as the crowd digs it". Absolutely unacceptable. New DJ's have become lazy, and being a DJ has become a popular trend to them. I see DJ's like Nico or Psyonix who put countless hours into practicing their mixing and execution just to make sure that not only do they sound good, but the crowd loves it, and they are putting on a good show. I'm sick of all these second rate DJ's EXPECTING bookings just because they play records and want some kind of recognition. Fuck that noise. Alot of the reason these clowns are getting booked in the first place is because their friends are throwing the shows, and other bullshit promoter politics. Not because they deserve it, or worked for it - but because they're LUCKY and know the right person. Their "talent" isn't what got them there at all.

[brandon]

And with that said, there have been a ton of new up-comers that seem to be getting booked before the other guy who has at least 1+ years of experience on them. If it's not that, then it's that someone who hasn’t even been playing for but maybe a year is getting a better time slot than the vet.

This is a common occurance across the country and has been an issue since 'raves' became so big in 98-99. Every bedroom DJ that shouldn't be playing out yet, suddenly got booked, because they sweet talked the promoter or did something FOR the promoter to get booked; most rarely deserved it.

I honeslty don't give a shit. Those bedroom jocks come and go, because their lack of skill/talent shows and when their friend stops booking them, no one else does, so they flutter off into obscurity.

Keep ya head up, keep your skills on point and use teH inTerWebz to promote yourself.

[KC Meat]

is the title of this thread implying that kc is not fresh?

if so.. i agree.Whatever, skank...you wouldn't know how fresh I am or even how long I stay fresh...haha


9PM - Breaks - 130/135
10 - House/Trance - 135/138
11 - Progressive/Club/Speed Garage - 138/143
12 - Hard Dance/HardStyle/NRG - 145/150
1 - Drum N Bass/Happy Hardcore - 160/180
Seriously?...hmm...I always though breaks were more upbeat than house...


Did someone say fresh meat??

hahaAtcher service *bows* (ignore Ben, he doesn't know how fresh I am)

[DJ Quack Quack]

So - this has come up in another thread, and I would like to make some points that I made in the other thread for those who haven't seen it, because I feel very strongly about this:

I don't know how DJ's can think this is acceptable and expect to get good bookings.

I for one booked my last couple of shows based on the fact that I payed for services that I expected to live up to certain expectations. One of those is that if you're a DJ that I'm paying for - I expect you to know what the fuck you're doing and match beats and entertain my crowd. I will never book a half-assed DJ who thinks that portaying yourself in an unprofessional and untalented manner is acceptable just because he/she is a DJ and has good songs. If I wanted just good songs, I would get them myself. That isn't what I want. I want them mixed and presented in a talented fashion that a music "expert" should be able to do to entertain me. Turntablism is about more than just the tracks, it's using audio as a medium to create artistic expression. The people who understand that and are passionate about that are the people I book.



You make it sound like its one or the other without a happy medium...

:rolleyes:

I see excellent DJ's all the time that have awesome tracks, excellent mixing skills, and perfect execution - and the whole time they're jammin' out with the crowd to their own set. Thats talent I'll pay for...


I personally can't stand the attitude of ALOT of new DJ's thinking its ok to mix half-assed "as long as the crowd digs it". Absolutely unacceptable. New DJ's have become lazy, and being a DJ has become a popular trend to them. I see DJ's like Nico or Psyonix who put countless hours into practicing their mixing and execution just to make sure that not only do they sound good, but the crowd loves it, and they are putting on a good show. I'm sick of all these second rate DJ's EXPECTING bookings just because they play records and want some kind of recognition. Fuck that noise. Alot of the reason these clowns are getting booked in the first place is because their friends are throwing the shows, and other bullshit promoter politics. Not because they deserve it, or worked for it - but because they're LUCKY and know the right person. Their "talent" isn't what got them there at all.
Do I have to show you the video of where the people are bumping my turntables to prove its not me train wrecking?? I have got it, it happens 2 times with in 15 minutes.

[r3m1x3d]

Do I have to show you the video of where the people are bumping my turntables to prove its not me train wrecking?? I have got it, it happens 2 times with in 15 minutes.


That does *nothing* to change my point of view, which is based on my own personal observations...

[Mista Malice]

Why end the set with Current Value? Why not an entire set of Current Value tunes? Shit... why not have a Current Value appreciation night?

I'm down. :)

[COBOL]

Seriously?...hmm...I always though breaks were more upbeat than house...



for real... certainly more than progressive :2cents: my breaks are usually in the 135-140 range

[*Bunny*]

I for one booked my last couple of shows based on the fact that I payed for services that I expected to live up to certain expectations. One of those is that if you're a DJ that I'm paying for - I expect you to know what the fuck you're doing and match beats and entertain my crowd. I will never book a half-assed DJ who thinks that portaying yourself in an unprofessional and untalented manner is acceptable just because he/she is a DJ and has good songs.

I see excellent DJ's all the time that have awesome tracks, excellent mixing skills, and perfect execution - and the whole time they're jammin' out with the crowd to their own set. Thats talent I'll pay for...

I personally can't stand the attitude of ALOT of new DJ's thinking its ok to mix half-assed "as long as the crowd digs it". Absolutely unacceptable. I'm sick of all these second rate DJ's EXPECTING bookings just because they play records and want some kind of recognition. Fuck that noise. Alot of the reason these clowns are getting booked in the first place is because their friends are throwing the shows, and other bullshit promoter politics. Not because they deserve it, or worked for it - but because they're LUCKY and know the right person. Their "talent" isn't what got them there at all.
Quoted with emphasis! And when those dj's or promoters book one person for thier shows with no problem and don't end up getting booked at the others show because they are mediocre and get butt hurt and remove the one who is actually good from their event makes me lose respect for the whiner.

Practice fuckers, if you want to get booked practice goddamn it, playing the "i'll book you if you book me game is childish". When you are good enough to play out in reality, not just because yourself or your friends, will book you imagine how good that would feel. Getting a booking based off of talent and not ass kissing imagine how rewarding that would feel.

[HollA]

Did somebody say fresh meat?!? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-030.gif

[8-Bit]

I like sandwiches!

[DJ Quack Quack]

I like sandwiches!Especially the ones that get beer spilt on em!

[HollA]

Especially the ones that get beer spilt on em!

it's like a frenchdip. But a BeerDip! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-003.gif

[DJ Quack Quack]

I'll beer dip you!:p

[*AshleyC*]

I


... i'll stab you c*murdah ;)

Bring it!! hehehe :eyebrows:

[HollA]

Ooo-This thread is get'n feisty! :eyebrows:

[Hail Caesar]

Why end the set with Current Value? Why not an entire set of Current Value tunes? Shit... why not have a Current Value appreciation night?

No shit, the crowd would be lost but fuck it, we'd make it DJ's night

[KC Meat]

My MP3 player is a DJ...

[tacha]

My MP3 player is a DJ...
your mom wants to be a DJ

I just wanna be a drummer...

[*AshleyC*]

Ooo-This thread is get'n feisty! :eyebrows:

I'll show you feisty! :eyebrows:

:)

[dilvie]

Whoa....Tell you the truth I didn't even know you ran Knobtweakers and truthfully You were right in picking Decibel because that kid can rock the house

I didn't know Knobtweakers was more than a blip on the SLC club scene radar. What really matters to me is that those kick-ass DJ's got the chance to take the stage, and they rocked it every fucking time, whether I was able to draw a big crowd or not.

They played amazing sets to half-empty rooms more times than I'd like to admit, but they played on a club system, and they had their names on flyers all over SLC. That's what I wanted to accomplish most, so in that sense, Knobtweakers was a great success and a wonderful experience, despite issues with poor club management.

I just thought I'd offer my perspective as a promoter and music lover. My main motivation for picking n00bz was my constant quest to find the under-appreciated, overlooked gems out there and shine a big spotlight on them, and say, "look what you're missing, world -- you're so obsessed with celebrity, you can't see the talent that's right under your fucking nose."

Also, we thought a lot about ramping from one style to the next to build energy through the night. On days I wanted the house music to take center stage, Ryan and Decibel would open with downtempo and atmospheric drum and bass, and Josh would drop more big room mixes. On other nights, we wanted Drum and Bass to take center stage, and Josh might open with some deep / minimal house and we'd build until Joel was shredding the dancefloor with relentless dark dnb.

I wasn't the best promoter in the world at getting asses in the club, but those who did come got a taste of some of the best music sets this scene has ever witnessed.
I take no credit for it. It was all about finding n00bs who deserve to be headlining superstars, and getting out of their way.

- Eric

[dilvie]

Do I have to show you the video of where the people are bumping my turntables to prove its not me train wrecking?? I have got it, it happens 2 times with in 15 minutes.

Is there a reason you're getting defensive? ;)

[DJ Namaste]

I started djing long before I ever played out. I waited until I understood the music and was able to beat match consistently....

I waited about 3 years. It kills me to see someone use their friends records and go play out. That is not what the music is about to me.

So, for a new dj to get booked because of politics, sucks.

[ZanGo]

I started djing long before I ever played out. I waited until I understood the music and was able to beat match consistently....

I waited about 3 years. It kills me to see someone use their friends records and go play out. That is not what the music is about to me.

So, for a new dj to get booked because of politics, sucks.


Name this movie,

"Namaste You Guys!"

.........................:D

[tacha]

Grandma's boy

[KC Meat]

...despite issues with poor club management.LMAO..."poor club management" is putting it nicely..haha...fuck Halo :D


Also, we thought a lot about ramping from one style to the next to build energy through the night. On days I wanted the house music to take center stage, Ryan and Decibel would open with downtempo and atmospheric drum and bass, and Josh would drop more big room mixes. On other nights, we wanted Drum and Bass to take center stage, and Josh might open with some deep / minimal house and we'd build until Joel was shredding the dancefloor with relentless dark dnb.Yea, we've found over the past two years that house and trance USUALLY clear the floor and/or bar...not always, but generic house and trance will usually bore the crowd and they leave...although, having S&S at a bar known to have many gay regulars, house thrives a lot more there haha...

[DJ Quack Quack]

Is there a reason you're getting defensive? ;)I don't know what your talking about!

[T.Beck]

LMAO..."poor club management" is putting it nicely..haha...fuck Halo :D

Yea, we've found over the past two years that house and trance USUALLY clear the floor and/or bar...not always, but generic house and trance will usually bore the crowd and they leave...although, having S&S at a bar known to have many gay regulars, house thrives a lot more there haha...

Ya, what is it with Gays and House? At Epik, the only people still on the dancefloor were all the gay folk, and they loved my dirty electro house. One dude came up to me and high fived me and was like "wow you've really brought out us Gays" they were all dancin and havin a blast.

[KC Meat]

I asked Rory that question when Nici was closing with speed garage last Wed night, cuz most people had left, but every person on the dance floor was gay...Rory's reply "cuz they're easy and it's easy to dance to"...so no matter how much you drink, it's easy to dance to house...haha

[Scott the Ghost]

Ya, what is it with Gays and House? At Epik, the only people still on the dancefloor were all the gay folk, and they loved my dirty electro house. One dude came up to me and high fived me and was like "wow you've really brought out us Gays" they were all dancin and havin a blast.

Yeah, those damn Gays! :mad: hahaha

[brandon]

I started djing long before I ever played out. I waited until I understood the music and was able to beat match consistently....

Hell, I never wanted to be a damn DJ. Most of us old farts just bought records, because we loved the music and wanted to make mixes. VERY FEW of us ever wanted to do it out in-front of crowds. I think I had records and played houseparties and made mixes for 5 years before I ever finally took a club gig... even then, I didn't really want to do it; I grew up in Chicago... try comparing to some of those jocks as a kid and see if YOU want to actually play out.

[Hyver]

Ya, what is it with Gays and House? At Epik, the only people still on the dancefloor were all the gay folk, and they loved my dirty electro house. One dude came up to me and high fived me and was like "wow you've really brought out us Gays" they were all dancin and havin a blast.
Well they did invent it.:phones::buttslap:

[*Bunny*]

I think the n00b promoters/and or dj's need to learn thier places and not try to take credit for shit other people have done.

[TinkFu]

... one more bump.

[tacha]

... one more bump.
I don't think I can take another bump. I've had too much already...

[HollA]

jus do it Bill! :mad:

[ZanGo]

I think the n00b promoters/and or dj's need to learn thier places and not try to take credit for shit other people have done.

PB will you put me in my place cutie?:eyebrows::eyebrows:

[tacha]

jus do it Bill! :mad:
just for you Hollie, but if I get sick you're taking me to the hospital.

[*Bunny*]

I don't think I can take another bump. I've had too much already...El o el! :eek:


PB will you put me in my place cutie?:eyebrows::eyebrows:
I will...... punch in you in the face fruity, it rhymes with that how does that sound! :mad: :cool: :p

[suckafish]

hay y'all can i git in where i fit in up on this biiaatch???

nigga??

[Defeatz]

They're just charging less so they can be cool and try to get laid. Charging less saves promoters money.

Kids on drugs usually don't hear bad mixes, they just hear "Hey baby, I'm a Dj"

No more kids that just want to be rockstars, those kids are annoying. It's all about the music, it should always be about the music. People who are passionate about it (and not just being popular and getting laid) put on an amazing show.
Thats it right there^^

[airmikee]

You're not in a union, and there are no seniority rules.

[Disciple13]

I can totally relate to what tink is saying. i've been a dj for nearly 15 years now, and i get booked on average 4-5 times a year. then i go on myspace or the unnet board and see postings for events with dj's who have been playing for maybe a year or two, and they're getting booked 4-5 a month. and when i do get booked, i'm in a shit time slot or on the second stage...in a shit time slot.

i give out demos, i contact many promoters with the links to download my demos as well...partly because it's really expensive to burn a ton of cd's, and, as a married man with a nine month old child and another baby on the way, i just don't get out much. i have a weekly radio show that people could check out (and that tink has done a guest mix for, by the way :eyebrows:) . so it's not like i don't put myself out there. but like i told someone in the nsbradio chat room the other night during my show, i'm not gonna kiss a promoter's ass. if you can't book me based on my skills, then fuck off.

[BADBEATENTERTAINMENT]

You have really got to take a chance.
Talent is talent. Some got it some don't. New Comers make for new ideas.

CHANGE IS ALWAYS GOOD..

[ZanGo]

They're just charging less so they can be cool and try to get laid. Charging less saves promoters money.

Kids on drugs usually don't hear bad mixes, they just hear "Hey baby, I'm a Dj"

No more kids that just want to be rockstars, those kids are annoying. It's all about the music, it should always be about the music. People who are passionate about it (and not just being popular and getting laid) put on an amazing show.

Hey there baby I'm a DJ LOL hahahhahaha much love Niimo

[Disciple13]

Talent is talent. Some got it some don't.

it's usually the ones that don't that are getting all the bookings, because they:

1. know the promoter.
2. are fucking the promoter.
3. have a sound system (there's a dj here that gets bookings this way.)
4. kiss a lot of ass.
or
5. have big tits.

[Lucius]

Let em play. The people who really enjoy the music will remember that d.j. as a fuck-up anyway so let it go. It'll all work out for the best. (I hope)

[jake]

it's usually the ones that don't that are getting all the bookings, because they:

1. know the promoter.
2. are fucking the promoter.
3. have a sound system (there's a dj here that gets bookings this way.)
4. kiss a lot of ass.
or
5. have big tits.

It's always been about who you know and can help out w/ the shows. Someone who goes out of their way to help out will obviously get more opportunities then someone who sits back and just bitches about not getting booked.

As far as the kid that has a sound system, at least he is putting his expensive equipment on the line to help the show out. And besides how can you bitch about the person throwing the show, playing at their show? You expect someone else to put their 25,000 on the line and then give you the preferential treatment?

[Hyver]

And besides how can you bitch about the person throwing the show, playing at their show? You expect someone else to put their 25,000 on the line and then give you the preferential treatment?
I was going to say something along these lines, and then I realized he said "are fucking the promoter" and not "are the fucking promoter"

Still though, jake is right.

[jake]

Hahaha I read it as "are the fucking promoter."

Oops. :cheers:

[ZanGo]

It's always been about who you know and can help out w/ the shows. Someone who goes out of their way to help out will obviously get more opportunities then someone who sits back and just bitches about not getting booked.

As far as the kid that has a sound system, at least he is putting his expensive equipment on the line to help the show out. And besides how can you bitch about the person throwing the show, playing at their show? You expect someone else to put their 25,000 on the line and then give you the preferential treatment?


PREACH ON!!! SOMEONE GIVE ME SOME LIMA BEANS!!!! PREACH ON!! THANK YAH JESUS!!!!! Rev. Jake Williams everyone LOL you da man Jake

[Disciple13]

As far as the kid that has a sound system, at least he is putting his expensive equipment on the line to help the show out. And besides how can you bitch about the person throwing the show, playing at their show? You expect someone else to put their 25,000 on the line and then give you the preferential treatment?


1. it's not that great of a sound system.

2. he's not a very good dj.

3. i said "are fucking the promoter" not "are the fucking promoter". if i promoted my own shows i'd play them too.

[Miss Mustang]

I started djing long before I ever played out. I waited until I understood the music and was able to beat match consistently....

I waited about 3 years. It kills me to see someone use their friends records and go play out. That is not what the music is about to me.

So, for a new dj to get booked because of politics, sucks.Thats the best way to go about it. I think thats the how the process is supposed to go.
I think the n00b promoters/and or dj's need to learn thier places and not try to take credit for shit other people have done.I completely agree. People need to have respect for the well for lack of a better term elders.
You're not in a union, and there are no seniority rules.True they arent but there is a certain level of respect that should be there.

[jake]

3. i said "are fucking the promoter" not "are the fucking promoter". if i promoted my own shows i'd play them too.

Yeah I read that wrong the first time. :)

[RS4]

so you're saying I should get a boob job??

[Miss Mustang]

so you're saying I should get a boob job??Yes! Totally that would sky rocket your career lol

[Mista Malice]

I started djing long before I ever played out. I waited until I understood the music and was able to beat match consistently....

I waited about 3 years. It kills me to see someone use their friends records and go play out. That is not what the music is about to me.

So, for a new dj to get booked because of politics, sucks.


@ Miss Mustang
I also agree with this and your statement.

It really sux when you go out and hear somebody that isn't very good and he has a premium spot in the lineup (because he's the promoters buddy) over someone thats just really good. I wonder if headliners listen to some of these kids and think of them being some of the better talent in this state because they're playing out already or opening for them.... We'll have to ask one sometime. Really though... your always gonna have people playing out at these events that shouldn't be because most of the time they'll do it for free and most of the kids that are attending these parties really don't pay atention or give a Fuck about who's mixing, whats being played, or how good he is at what he's doing :2cents:.



It's always been about who you know and can help out w/ the shows. Someone who goes out of their way to help out will obviously get more opportunities then someone who sits back and just bitches about not getting booked.

As far as the kid that has a sound system, at least he is putting his expensive equipment on the line to help the show out. And besides how can you bitch about the person throwing the show, playing at their show? You expect someone else to put their 25,000 on the line and then give you the preferential treatment?


This is also true and you can't blame promoters for booking someone thats willing to show up early, set all of his stuff up, let other people play on it (most of the time complete strangers), and stay late to tear it back down. Regardless if its cheaper gear, its still money out of someones pocket and his way of practicing (and playing out).

Really its best to take both of these things in consideration. Be help full to the promoter and go the extra mile to help set up or whatever and bring your A game before you start playing out.

[Skinny]

I know I don't post here AT ALL, haven't posted really since the old site went down. But I totally agree with you Tink.
The new DJ's that are coming out NEED to have opening slots, period. Ive been to multiple parties where someone just starting out, has had a headline spot. And yes, it was train-wreck city. I'll admit, I've had bad sets also, usually due to equipment failure, needle breaking or not playing both channels. But I am happy with what ever spot I get. I don't beg or plead for a top spot. I haven't even got a gig since....'06 I think. This is due to my personal life taking priority. But I agree with a lot of people on here, a lot of these events, it's the same people over and over again. I think new talent has every right to get noticed, but don't piss off other promoters/djs by giving a newbie a better slot than a vet.

I've played at events with you Tink, and you Are the shit. I'll open for you any time.

[Dj Nebula]

One thing that needs to go on, is a variety of Dj's. I see the same Dj's on every flyer and it really does not make me interested in going out. Besides, no one is calling me to play, so it seems pretty lop sided here on who is getting booked. Fucking regurgitated shit over and over. Promoters are getting lazy is what it looks like to me.

[TinkFu]

^ I think it's been pretty mixed up as of late :0) For a while we were seeing the same names over and over but in the last few months I think promoters have done a good job at mixing things up.

[Miss Mustang]

One thing that needs to go on, is a variety of Dj's. I see the same Dj's on every flyer and it really does not make me interested in going out. Besides, no one is calling me to play, so it seems pretty lop sided here on who is getting booked. Fucking regurgitated shit over and over. Promoters are getting lazy is what it looks like to me.I agree, we need different blood around here. Not necessarily all new or all old, but a huge mix up. A lot of people dont want to go to shows any more because they have seen the djs with in the last month or so.

Tink you do work hard at mixing things up. I think to a lot of people though things just feel like its so much of the same.

[ZanGo]

I say more Ogden Crew Kids!!! Love my Otown Knights!!!

[Mista Malice]

I say more Ogden Crew Kids!!! Love my Otown Knights!!!


...:D...

[N8orade]

I say more Ogden Crew Kids!!! Love my Otown Knights!!!
For real!!!

I would like to see dj's that play a variety of music, something different. I know we need to see new dj's but if they all play the same fucking tracks, what is the use? Utah has a variety of dj's and some of them are extremely talented and diverse. Why aren't they booked?

One example, and I hate to say it, FUCKING ELECTRO HOUSE!!!! I don't mind electro sometimes, but for chrissake, play a different record once in a while.

[Dj Nebula]

For real!!!

I would like to see dj's that play a variety of music, something different. I know we need to see new dj's but if they all play the same fucking tracks, what is the use? Utah has a variety of dj's and some of them are extremely talented and diverse. Why aren't they booked?

One example, and I hate to say it, FUCKING ELECTRO HOUSE!!!! I don't mind electro sometimes, but for chrissake, play a different record once in a while.

Yeah how about some good old 4 on the floor house music? I don't see anyone playing that anymore. This old man still does, too bad none of you get to hear it anymore.

Tink, I like you alot, but do you really have to be a V2 dj to get booked in this town? I either see brand new Dj's or your crew on every flyer. Never any of us guys that spent years of blood sweat and tears to get this place kicked off properly. I think the out of state headliners have been a variety, but the local bookings are the same Dj's every time. Flyer's do not lie.

[psyonix]

V2 Represent!







































































:)

[jake]

Yeah how about some good old 4 on the floor house music? I don't see anyone playing that anymore. This old man still does, too bad none of you get to hear it anymore.

Tink, I like you alot, but do you really have to be a V2 dj to get booked in this town? I either see brand new Dj's or your crew on every flyer. Never any of us guys that spent years of blood sweat and tears to get this place kicked off properly. I think the out of state headliners have been a variety, but the local bookings are the same Dj's every time. Flyer's do not lie.

Unfortunately that is how it is right now. You could put a local legend on the main stage, at a good time and if the kids in the crowd don't know who he is, not matter how well he is playing, you will just get a "meh." But you can put a kid on the decks that can't mix to save his life, every other mix sounds like shoes in the dryer and people will still say he blew it up.

The kids that are paying for the shows want to see people that they know. They want to see kids names on flyers that they recognize.

... and that is why you keep seeing the same names on the flyers over and over.

[Dj Nebula]

Unfortunately that is how it is right now. You could put a local legend on the main stage, at a good time and if the kids in the crowd don't know who he is, not matter how well he is playing, you will just get a "meh." But you can put a kid on the decks that can't mix to save his life, every other mix sounds like shoes in the dryer and people will still say he blew it up.

The kids that are paying for the shows want to see people that they know. They want to see kids names on flyers that they recognize.

... and that is why you keep seeing the same names on the flyers over and over.

I think that is a cop out personally. Maybe it is how these new kids are educated about our scene and what they think it is all about vs. what this music and it's roots are all about. It is not about names, it is supposed to be about the music. So what you are saying is that these kids are paying ass loads of money for crap. Wow, I would have to say that things have taken a turn for the worst here in the SLC. Just think you guys you could have just stayed home, saved your money and thrown some combat boots and some loose change in your dryer and you would have had the same experience. Fucking retarded. I also think that ego's play a huge role in shit these days, and instead of spreading the vibe and giving everyone a chance to play, the scene is being forced in one direction as far as the talent goes in this town. As you old school'ers know, I don't kiss ass, I don't sugar coat it, I just tell it like it is. Well, when you want to hear some good house music folks, let me know. I still love the music, playing it and rocking it so people will dance to it.

[jake]

Heh, I take it that you haven't been out lately. There are a lot of shows that have some amazing talent both locally and out of state that no one has showed up to. The party "One" had a huge local line up w/ people that are incredibly talented and (no I am not making this up) about 30 people actually paid to get into the show.

[T.Beck]

Honestly I am seeing different DJs all the time, I think that now that I know a lot of people and here about a lot of different events then I am seeing a lot of different DJs both locally and headlining. Just this last week, I myself played on Wed. at my residency, Thur. I watched Ill Insanity blow my mind with their hip hop turntablism, Fri. Kaskade rocked the HOUSE, then after we headed to Crooked arrow and heard some dub step, Sat. at beats N BBQ we had just a few people show up but heard a lot of different music from different DJs, then ended up at some wharehouse on 227 W. near 1300 S. If you go to different events, these more underground things at Crooked Arrow, Easy Street, the Cofea Party on Sat. its mostly veteran DJs tearing it up.

As for other events, when I moved to Utah I was more focused on my band and didn't really try to get booked other than doing my own club night in Provo, later in order to get booked, i was DIY, I just started throwing events myself and networking and meeting people. I go out all the time now and know a lot of people now and thus have been able to start getting booked.

As for Nasty Nates comment on electro house, there is a whole newer electro movement with fresh new tracks that we aren't really hearing at "Raves" there are some great DJs playing it but they either never were a part of or have distanced themselves from the Rave scene. I don't want to call it electro house because though most the beats are a house tempo these new electro tracks coming out are great in that they are something new, they don't follow a typical EDM format, and often have more parts than you normally here in EDM. Expect to hear alot of that coming from my area at Evolution.

[Dj Nebula]

Heh, I take it that you haven't been out lately. There are a lot of shows that have some amazing talent both locally and out of state that no one has showed up to. The party "One" had a huge local line up w/ people that are incredibly talented and (no I am not making this up) about 30 people actually paid to get into the show.

It still does not change the facts. I see what I see. And personally, since I got married and we had our daughter, no one calls or books me anymore or really even tries to be my friend, minus Loki. He has been in touch a few times.

[Loki]

That's right, Nebz is my homie!

:cool:

[Dj Nebula]

That's right, Nebz is my homie!

:cool:

You bet man, you are a good friend. Just wish we were spinning together more often. Me and your lady need to teach you to ride. You would love it. Raging party on the peak for last day for the Tram on Sunday. Get in touch man. I know I am busy, but I will make time.

[Mista Malice]

Me and your lady need to teach you to ride.

Good luck with that. :)

[Dj Nebula]

Good luck with that. :)

Oh I could have Loki shredding in a day. I have taught alot of people to ride this season. And ride pow which is much harder than just learning on a groomer. His lady rides, he should too. Shred the Gnar! :D

[Mista Malice]

Oh I could have Loki shredding in a day. I have taught alot of people to ride this season. And ride pow which is much harder than just learning on a groomer. His lady rides, he should too. Shred the Gnar! :D

No, just getting him out there. Once he gets out there... I know he's gonna like it.