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Third_Eye
05-21-2009, 03:13 PM
City Weekly article about some of the "Big Brother" style changes coming to SLC. This is just page 1 of 3, click the link to read the entire article.


http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-8058-theyre-watching-you.html?current_page=1 (http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-8058-theyre-watching-you.html?current_page=1)


What no one is telling you about the proposed cop shop in Library Square.

By Ted McDonough (http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/articles.by.Author-12.html)

You are strolling along at the farmers market in Pioneer Park studying produce when you glance up and notice a tall black pole topped with a white box that appears to be staring back at you. On closer inspection, you see the “SLCPD” logo on the pole. It’s a police camera capable of zooming in to focus on the tomato in your hand.

Wander away from the park with your head tilted up, and you’ll start noticing the half-globe surveillance cameras everywhere: all over Gallivan Plaza, watching the sidewalk outside the now-abandoned Port O’Call, even hanging from a sidewalk streetlight at the intersection of 200 South and West Temple.

Feeling paranoid yet? What if all those security cameras—public and private— were hooked into a central police monitoring station? It’s already happening in cities from Chicago to Dallas, though not yet here, according to the Salt Lake City Police Department.

A few years down the road, however, Utahns might look back on February 2009, when the Pioneer Park cameras began monitoring activities in the square 24/7, as the birth of the city’s new surveillance society in which unblinking lenses watch indoors and out while state supercomputers troll though citizens´ personal electronic information searching for “suspicious activity.”

Already, police cameras peek in at some Salt Lake City businesses. Now, a Utah state program of interlinked state and federal supercomputers mingling data on petty thieves and known terrorists with the personal identity and credit information of lawabiding citizens is set to explode.

The project that Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker lauded in his state-of-the-city address as an “intelligence-gathering fusion center”—and that civil liberties groups on the left and right worry is a new domestic spying system—is slated to have its Utah headquarters in Becker’s “civic campus” of public-safety buildings to be constructed on or near Library Square with proceeds from a November bond election. The Utah Fusion Center, as the project is known, is taking off thanks in part to infusions of cash from the Obama administration’s job-creating American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

When Salt Lake City watchdog Steve Erickson saw millions of dollars of high-tech spying equipment included on Salt Lake City’s list of “shovel-ready” stimulus projects, it confirmed what he´d been hearing about federal surveillance efforts coming to Utah: facial-recognition technology for Utah Transit Authority buses, an aerial surveillance drone to monitor crowds, hundreds of thousands for wireless surveillance and an artificial-intelligence computer capable of “watching” surveillance cameras for suspicious activity.
“How is spying on Americans creating jobs?” asks Erickson, who, with a small Salt Lake City organization called Citizens Education Project, has been in the forefront trying to keep government surveillance at bay in the Beehive State.

Tall and wiry with a deep-voice, Erickson’s viewpoint on government spying stems from his involvement in student movements during the Vietnam War. Back then, activists were outraged to learn that FBI COINTELPRO agents infiltrated student groups. Forty years on, Erickson sometimes wonders if he’s the only one who cares anymore. He has watched the Utah Fusion Center slowly develop for years but has had little luck trying to pique the interest of public officials.

“If people are comfortable with passive-invasive technology, so be it,” says Erickson. “But some of us old-school boys remember the government dossiers on us during the Vietnam protests.”

One item, in particular, on Salt Lake City’s stimulus wish list caught Erickson’s eye: An $836,000 “shovel ready” project asking for a “software program to search, manage and analyze vast amounts of criminal investigation information from wide ranging data sources” and two police officers to run it. A similar request was described in an April 2009 city grant application as “a technology solution to mining for information collected by state and federal agencies."
It turns out that money is intended for the Utah Fusion Center, a partnership between Utah’s Department of Public Safety, the FBI, the federal Homeland Security Department, the National Guard and local police agencies to create a network of interlinked computer databases and a core of specially trained officers to feed information to the system.

Administered by the state Department of Public Safety, the Utah Fusion Center is part of a network of 60 to 70 fusion centers established throughout the country with $250 million of grants from the terrorism-fighting federal Homeland Security Department. The centers caught flak April 1 during a day of hearings devoted to the program by a congressional Homeland Security committee. Critics warned of America returning to the 1960s where local police “red squads” spied on activists and politicians in the name of rooting out subversives.

The American Civil Liberties Union pointed to political spying already begun by state fusion centers (http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/privacy/fusion_update_20080729.pdf), such as a Texas fusion center asking police to report activities of anti-war protesters and a “threat assessment” from Virginia’s fusion center that called the state’s historically black universities “a radicalization node for almost every type of extremist group.”

In the Beehive State, the Utah Fusion Center—also known as the Statewide Information Analysis Center—has watchdogs and lawmakers shaking their heads for another reason; they have already fought—and defeated—the snooping supercomputers once before.

In 2004, the all-seeing national computer database that promised to find terrorists by combing Americans’ electronic files was called MATRIX, or Multistate Anti- Terrorism Information Exchange. The project was so badly bungled—and so widely pilloried by groups as disparate as the ACLU and the Utah Eagle Forum—that former Utah Gov. Olene Walker made scrapping it one of her first acts after taking office.


Matrix Reloaded
Championed by former Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both Republicans, MATRIX emerged from the wreckage of Total Information Awareness, a domestic-spying program proposed in the aftermath of 9/11, but quickly closed down by Congress in 2003 citing post-Watergate laws that ban the government from collecting dossiers on lawabiding Americans.

MATRIX tried to get around the problem by turning the job of collecting state databases over to a private Florida company—a private company that just happened to be financed by the federal Homeland Security Department with grant money obtained by a former commissioner of the Utah Department of Public Safety.

Public records obtained in 2004 by Citizens Education Project showed that Leavitt had signed Utah up for MATRIX and downloaded Utah databases into the system without telling the Legislature. Utah’s exit was the beginning of the end for MATRIX, and a panel Walker assembled to review the program recommended Utah stay away until it worked out “adequate oversight and appropriate privacy safeguards.”

Fast-forward five years and it seems the MATRIX, like the 2003 movie sequel, has been reloaded. A recent public records request by Citizens Education Project shows that the Utah Fusion Center, in addition to accessing law-enforcement records, is—like MATRIX—tapping into databases maintained by private companies that claim to have billions of records on law-abiding citizens.

Some Utah legislators who served on former-Gov. Olene Walker’s 2004 MATRIX review committee are flabbergasted the state is again moving to share its citizens’ information and, yet again, they have heard hardly a peep from the governor’s office.

State Sen. Gene Davis, D-Salt Lake City, says the explicit direction from the 2004 committee was to require future governors to return to the Legislature before moving forward with the MATRIX or any similar program. Davis isn’t against law-enforcement agencies sharing information but says, “You have a certain level of right to privacy. A state database on how many times you burped when you were a baby, that’s a little alarming to me.”

“With the way technology is, there is no way to say data can’t be fused,” says Rep. John Dougall, R-American Fork, another member of the 2004 MATRIX review panel. “But we need to make sure we have the appropriate constraints on government such that it doesn’t become a reckless endeavor.”

If Utah continues with a fusion center, Dougall wants a citizen oversight committee, audits of who accesses the system and why, and consultation with the Legislature.

M_Lee
05-21-2009, 05:03 PM
ohhh shit.. watch out drugs dealers.

Mass_Media
05-22-2009, 08:20 AM
City Weekly article about some of the \"Big Brother\" style changes coming to SLC. This is just page 1 of 3, click the link to read the entire article.


http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-8058-theyre-watching-you.html?current_page=1 (\"http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-8058-theyre-watching-you.html?current_page=1\")


What no one is telling you about the proposed cop shop in Library Square.

By Ted McDonough (\"http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/articles.by.Author-12.html\")

You are strolling along at the farmers market in Pioneer Park studying produce when you glance up and notice a tall black pole topped with a white box that appears to be staring back at you. On closer inspection, you see the “SLCPD” logo on the pole. It’s a police camera capable of zooming in to focus on the tomato in your hand.

Wander away from the park with your head tilted up, and you’ll start noticing the half-globe surveillance cameras everywhere: all over Gallivan Plaza, watching the sidewalk outside the now-abandoned Port O’Call, even hanging from a sidewalk streetlight at the intersection of 200 South and West Temple.

Feeling paranoid yet? What if all those security cameras—public and private— were hooked into a central police monitoring station? It’s already happening in cities from Chicago to Dallas, though not yet here, according to the Salt Lake City Police Department.

A few years down the road, however, Utahns might look back on February 2009, when the Pioneer Park cameras began monitoring activities in the square 24/7, as the birth of the city’s new surveillance society in which unblinking lenses watch indoors and out while state supercomputers troll though citizens´ personal electronic information searching for “suspicious activity.”

Already, police cameras peek in at some Salt Lake City businesses. Now, a Utah state program of interlinked state and federal supercomputers mingling data on petty thieves and known terrorists with the personal identity and credit information of lawabiding citizens is set to explode.

The project that Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker lauded in his state-of-the-city address as an “intelligence-gathering fusion center”—and that civil liberties groups on the left and right worry is a new domestic spying system—is slated to have its Utah headquarters in Becker’s “civic campus” of public-safety buildings to be constructed on or near Library Square with proceeds from a November bond election. The Utah Fusion Center, as the project is known, is taking off thanks in part to infusions of cash from the Obama administration’s job-creating American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

When Salt Lake City watchdog Steve Erickson saw millions of dollars of high-tech spying equipment included on Salt Lake City’s list of “shovel-ready” stimulus projects, it confirmed what he´d been hearing about federal surveillance efforts coming to Utah: facial-recognition technology for Utah Transit Authority buses, an aerial surveillance drone to monitor crowds, hundreds of thousands for wireless surveillance and an artificial-intelligence computer capable of “watching” surveillance cameras for suspicious activity.
“How is spying on Americans creating jobs?” asks Erickson, who, with a small Salt Lake City organization called Citizens Education Project, has been in the forefront trying to keep government surveillance at bay in the Beehive State.

Tall and wiry with a deep-voice, Erickson’s viewpoint on government spying stems from his involvement in student movements during the Vietnam War. Back then, activists were outraged to learn that FBI COINTELPRO agents infiltrated student groups. Forty years on, Erickson sometimes wonders if he’s the only one who cares anymore. He has watched the Utah Fusion Center slowly develop for years but has had little luck trying to pique the interest of public officials.

“If people are comfortable with passive-invasive technology, so be it,” says Erickson. “But some of us old-school boys remember the government dossiers on us during the Vietnam protests.”

One item, in particular, on Salt Lake City’s stimulus wish list caught Erickson’s eye: An $836,000 “shovel ready” project asking for a “software program to search, manage and analyze vast amounts of criminal investigation information from wide ranging data sources” and two police officers to run it. A similar request was described in an April 2009 city grant application as “a technology solution to mining for information collected by state and federal agencies.\"
It turns out that money is intended for the Utah Fusion Center, a partnership between Utah’s Department of Public Safety, the FBI, the federal Homeland Security Department, the National Guard and local police agencies to create a network of interlinked computer databases and a core of specially trained officers to feed information to the system.

Administered by the state Department of Public Safety, the Utah Fusion Center is part of a network of 60 to 70 fusion centers established throughout the country with $250 million of grants from the terrorism-fighting federal Homeland Security Department. The centers caught flak April 1 during a day of hearings devoted to the program by a congressional Homeland Security committee. Critics warned of America returning to the 1960s where local police “red squads” spied on activists and politicians in the name of rooting out subversives.

The American Civil Liberties Union pointed to political spying already begun by state fusion centers (\"http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/privacy/fusion_update_20080729.pdf\"), such as a Texas fusion center asking police to report activities of anti-war protesters and a “threat assessment” from Virginia’s fusion center that called the state’s historically black universities “a radicalization node for almost every type of extremist group.”

In the Beehive State, the Utah Fusion Center—also known as the Statewide Information Analysis Center—has watchdogs and lawmakers shaking their heads for another reason; they have already fought—and defeated—the snooping supercomputers once before.

In 2004, the all-seeing national computer database that promised to find terrorists by combing Americans’ electronic files was called MATRIX, or Multistate Anti- Terrorism Information Exchange. The project was so badly bungled—and so widely pilloried by groups as disparate as the ACLU and the Utah Eagle Forum—that former Utah Gov. Olene Walker made scrapping it one of her first acts after taking office.


Matrix Reloaded
Championed by former Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both Republicans, MATRIX emerged from the wreckage of Total Information Awareness, a domestic-spying program proposed in the aftermath of 9/11, but quickly closed down by Congress in 2003 citing post-Watergate laws that ban the government from collecting dossiers on lawabiding Americans.

MATRIX tried to get around the problem by turning the job of collecting state databases over to a private Florida company—a private company that just happened to be financed by the federal Homeland Security Department with grant money obtained by a former commissioner of the Utah Department of Public Safety.

Public records obtained in 2004 by Citizens Education Project showed that Leavitt had signed Utah up for MATRIX and downloaded Utah databases into the system without telling the Legislature. Utah’s exit was the beginning of the end for MATRIX, and a panel Walker assembled to review the program recommended Utah stay away until it worked out “adequate oversight and appropriate privacy safeguards.”

Fast-forward five years and it seems the MATRIX, like the 2003 movie sequel, has been reloaded. A recent public records request by Citizens Education Project shows that the Utah Fusion Center, in addition to accessing law-enforcement records, is—like MATRIX—tapping into databases maintained by private companies that claim to have billions of records on law-abiding citizens.

Some Utah legislators who served on former-Gov. Olene Walker’s 2004 MATRIX review committee are flabbergasted the state is again moving to share its citizens’ information and, yet again, they have heard hardly a peep from the governor’s office.

State Sen. Gene Davis, D-Salt Lake City, says the explicit direction from the 2004 committee was to require future governors to return to the Legislature before moving forward with the MATRIX or any similar program. Davis isn’t against law-enforcement agencies sharing information but says, “You have a certain level of right to privacy. A state database on how many times you burped when you were a baby, that’s a little alarming to me.”

“With the way technology is, there is no way to say data can’t be fused,” says Rep. John Dougall, R-American Fork, another member of the 2004 MATRIX review panel. “But we need to make sure we have the appropriate constraints on government such that it doesn’t become a reckless endeavor.”

If Utah continues with a fusion center, Dougall wants a citizen oversight committee, audits of who accesses the system and why, and consultation with the Legislature.


If you look at intersections they have camera's too. Not just to see when i car comes to change the light but on top of the light poles next to the traffic lights (the one i notice first was on 9th and van winkle south west street lamp) I know in london they have this too.

Blacksunshine
05-22-2009, 08:24 AM
I know all the answers to all the problems....dont go anywhere but camping. It has spent many years working really really well for me.

Tho that kind of sucks...I mean, if I were at farmers market I would prolly be scattered and with out make up.

I wonder what worldly problems this is actually going to solve :confused:

God theres alot of cops here by the way...I think there is officially a cop for every somewhat main street :thumbs:

Mass_Media
05-22-2009, 08:33 AM
I know all the answers to all the problems....dont go anywhere but camping. It has spent many years working really really well for me.

Tho that kind of sucks...I mean, if I were at farmers market I would prolly be scattered and with out make up.

I wonder what worldly problems this is actually going to solve :confused:

God theres alot of cops here by the way...I think there is officially a cop for every somewhat main street :thumbs:

camera's watching people solve everything.

crime will be 0. Soon they will be able to arrest you before you commit the crime (what is that movie called with tom cruise?)

Blacksunshine
05-22-2009, 08:36 AM
I wonder where they are going to put all of us?? And I wonder what they will do when we revolt? Oh this could get fun

Linseeed
05-22-2009, 08:51 AM
I've always thought that since I have nothing to hide I shouldn't worry about this kind of stuff.. but this bothers me a bit. What right do they have to do this?

Mass_Media
05-22-2009, 08:54 AM
I've always thought that since I have nothing to hide I shouldn't worry about this kind of stuff.. but this bothers me a bit. What right do they have to do this?

agreed.

Blacksunshine
05-22-2009, 09:00 AM
"they" are doing all they can to TRY to continue instilling fear into the people. "they" will eventually be defeted and loose the "war" but in these "final day" they are stopping at nothing...remember the swine flu??

They will continue to play their game...but they are already loosing their battle.

Everytime I tried to capitalize "they" my fingers wouldn't let me...see, that is irony. And I love irony.


K I have to get out of this topic....my antics will make you think I'm cra.....eh, nevermind, that too is a loosing battle. I am crazy :cool:

Uberly Suspicious
05-22-2009, 09:03 AM
crime will be 0. Soon they will be able to arrest you before you commit the crime (what is that movie called with tom cruise?)Benjaming Button.

I'm soo pissed that I'm gonna write to Keanu Reeves!

KC Meat
05-22-2009, 09:11 AM
camera's watching people solve everything.

crime will be 0. Soon they will be able to arrest you before you commit the crime (what is that movie called with tom cruise?)Minority Report

I'm with Lindsay on the whole "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry." This does seem to be going a bit further, but the fact that you really can't prevent states/agencies from sharing information in this technological age also comes into play. I'm not terribly concerned about them watching parks or other public places. The problem, IMO, comes when they start watching you at private places (home, work).

Blacksunshine
05-22-2009, 09:14 AM
Benjaming Button.

I'm soo pissed that I'm gonna write to Keanu Reeves!


Ben Button was the longest movie ever about a man that ages from old to young...and I have no clue how it ends. I dont remember a cop in the show, let alone anyone getting arrested. :confused:

Uberly Suspicious
05-22-2009, 09:16 AM
bwuahahahaha:lmao:

Neither do I!

Linseeed
05-22-2009, 09:18 AM
Minority Report

I'm with Lindsay on the whole "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry." This does seem to be going a bit further, but the fact that you really can't prevent states/agencies from sharing information in this technological age also comes into play. I'm not terribly concerned about them watching parks or other public places. The problem, IMO, comes when they start watching you at private places (home, work).
Yeah that's how I feel. Public places should be crime-free and people should be able to feel safe wherever they go. But they shouldn't be watching us at home. Just like the article says "A state database on how many times you burped when you were a baby, that’s a little alarming to me" that's just too much. The government shouldn't have any reason to know how/when/why/where we pick our noses. Ya know?

Blacksunshine
05-22-2009, 09:27 AM
Tho, If they were watching me THAT close, I would pick my nose ALOT. I'm not a big fan of google earth so you can see my house, I like it when it's only ME and my company in my backyard. :cool:

stingray
05-22-2009, 09:34 AM
If you guys like conspiracy theories, you will love this:

It's long, and over dramatic, but the things that are true are very interesting. Got some stuff that goes along with Zeitgeist 1 and 2 (which you would also love).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Blacksunshine
05-22-2009, 09:57 AM
I love conspiracy theories! I have no sound tho

Pink
05-22-2009, 10:14 AM
Minority Report

I'm with Lindsay on the whole "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry." This does seem to be going a bit further, but the fact that you really can't prevent states/agencies from sharing information in this technological age also comes into play. I'm not terribly concerned about them watching parks or other public places. The problem, IMO, comes when they start watching you at private places (home, work).

hmmm..at first glance.. "if your aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry" sounds all fine and good.. until you find out that you are no longer in charge of who determines what is right or wrong.

AcridSwitch
05-22-2009, 10:20 AM
we haven't been in charge of that for a long time

Pink
05-22-2009, 10:28 AM
exactly my point. - ; )

Mizz Nici
05-22-2009, 10:30 AM
Lol all I know is they better be able to figure out who stole my car if it gets stolen, where my child is if they get kidnapped and what the hell happened to that crack dealer I used to buy from on the corner.... er I mean down with the government! ;)

AcridSwitch
05-22-2009, 10:33 AM
I guess I won't be stealing Nici's car anymore...

mandiana jones
05-22-2009, 11:04 AM
Where the hell am I going to get my crack if they put cameras in pioneer park?

KC Meat
05-22-2009, 01:33 PM
You will hook up your crack deals with your phone until they start monitoring your txts and listening to your calls. I would strongly recommend learning how to grow/produce the drugs you want before that happens.

mandiana jones
05-22-2009, 01:38 PM
*Googles how to make crack*

KC Meat
05-22-2009, 01:43 PM
hmmm..at first glance.. "if your aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have to worry" sounds all fine and good.. until you find out that you are no longer in charge of who determines what is right or wrong....or until you actually take the time to analyze everything you do and realize that you frequently partake in illegal activities. haha

KC Meat
05-22-2009, 01:43 PM
*Googles how to make crack*Hint: start with how to make coke. ;)

AcridSwitch
05-22-2009, 01:43 PM
All I can say is: They should be watching me :cool:

Mr. Midvale
05-22-2009, 01:53 PM
My question is: Who's watching the fucking watchers? And who watches the watcher watchers, and so on until we get to the ultimate quesion: Who's watching GOD?

AcridSwitch
05-22-2009, 01:54 PM
God's God is watching God.
The infinite regress.

Linseeed
05-22-2009, 01:56 PM
Hint: start with how to make coke. ;)
Beat me to it, haha.

Step 1: Grow coca plant
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!!

mandiana jones
05-22-2009, 01:59 PM
^My future career.

suckafish
05-22-2009, 02:10 PM
i watched the entire 2 hours of the obama deception.


on the clock, of course.

interesting. we're all doomed.

Linseeed
05-22-2009, 02:15 PM
we're all doomed.
Basically.

AcridSwitch
05-22-2009, 02:20 PM
we're all doomed.


Basically.
Well it's about time

KC Meat
05-22-2009, 03:04 PM
Beat me to it, haha.

Step 1: Grow coca plant
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!!Fuck it, meth's easier and quicker to make.

mandiana jones
05-22-2009, 03:11 PM
O how I love me a good conspiricy. Obama deception is funny, Im moving to Austrailia.

lostcat
05-23-2009, 01:56 AM
I honestly say I'm torn over the subject.
One I don't like the idea of people watching every move I make, but really they already do. You are on camera somewhere around 80% of the time (in public) so pretty much almost everything you do is on record anyway.
This just ties it all in to one system, and their greatest mantra is...
If you aren't doing something wrong then you have nothing to worry about. But, and I can't help but say it America is all about trying to get away with doing things.
That's what capitalism is. Work, bend, stretch, and otherwise manipulate the law as much as you can to further yourself (company or political agenda (or all three)) and only pay up when and if you get caught.
All this does is give the government more evidence if you do.
Moral: if you deal drugs don't do it outside.

lostcat
05-23-2009, 01:59 AM
Two, I still don't like it and that's why I donate to the ACLU.
Cause if I do commit a crime I would like to think the police actually had to do SOME work to catch me.
Moral: I try not to let the cops know where I live.

stingray
05-23-2009, 10:04 AM
another...

Fits right in with Obama Deception

now remember, I'm not saying Obama was a bad choice, I personally don't think it mattered who won, and it was actually set up for Obama to win. I mean really, look at McCains campaign and running mate, it was designed to fail.

Obamas Prolonged Detetion





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY

Third_Eye
05-23-2009, 03:33 PM
another...

Fits right in with Obama Deception

now remember, I'm not saying Obama was a bad choice, I personally don't think it mattered who won, and it was actually set up for Obama to win. I mean really, look at McCains campaign and running mate, it was designed to fail.

Obamas Prolonged Detetion




YouTube - Rachel Maddow: Indefinite detention? Shame on you... President Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY)

Between watching this video and watching the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side", today has been a day of complete and utter shame for me as a citizen of this country...

The documentary is appalling, the fact that the people responsible for the detention centers and treatments of its detainees are not imprisoned is an incomprehensible injustice. Then this new, progressive, forward thinking administration that promised change decides they will continue to use the same illegal, immoral bullshit as the previous administration. People wondered why I said Obama wasn't much better than Bush or McCain, that it wouldn't make much difference. So long as the big two political parties are in power the country will never be what it should be. I really wanted him to prove me wrong. I wanted him to earn my vote for re-election. Barely 100 days into his presidency and he has already lost that

Uberly Suspicious
05-26-2009, 03:24 PM
I think this thread needs a theme song to go with it!

YouTube - DJ Darkzone - Watching You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcFj4gIBSaA)[/URL]